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Shame is an equal sword...I cast shame on everyone that donates less than $5k/ year to charity.  I cast shame on people who haven’t saved a million bucks. Lots of ways to cast shame

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3 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

IMO still doesn't make it the right thing to do.......regardless if it's Trump or Walz.

But I see what you're trying to do here.

 

1 hour ago, UND1983 said:

Not called for as well. 

Just curious as to what your opposition is to this. I don't really care whether the flags get lowered or not.  That being said, I can see how some families may get comfort from it especially since they weren't able to honor their loved ones with a standard funeral, etc..

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I’m just tired.   80+...give me a bottle of good scotch and a triple dose of ketamine.  Honsestly.  I don’t wish Ill upon anyone, but what would you do?  Hold on for one more Christmas?   Stop the world for one. Ire trip to Walmart or the fair?  

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for a number of USA deaths comparison:

Last years flu deaths: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html which is 34,000 (varies yearly by dominant strains)

So far with Covid 2020: https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en which is 95000 deaths (some states overestimated).

A lot of deaths annually from flu but no nation-wide shutdown articles about protecting from flu are seen

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….and if McFeely calls out Walz for being a complete idiot based on his decisions he made on Wednesday you know Walz really messed up.

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48 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

….and if McFeely calls out Walz for being a complete idiot based on his decisions he made on Wednesday you know Walz really messed up.

I've honestly haven't seen anything down here that is praising the decision.   Hospitality MN has stated that the outdoor patio was never discussed.

It has been hinted that someone in MDH got into the Governors ear. 

 

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1 hour ago, keikla said:

So basically you're saying that there have been 3x as many deaths from covid than the flu, despite the fact that it's only been over 3 months instead of an entire flu season, AND a nationwide shut down was in place to minimize spread.

I'm all for finding a reasonably safe, educated way to get things going again, but I think your post supports the opposite point of what you likely intended.

Take the bad 2017-2018 flu season when 79k people died from it.......and add in the extra Covid-19 level of hyper-sensitivity in counting deaths which would shoot that number much higher .....and you have our current Covid-19 situation (minus the crashed economy of course).  

The doctors that keep refusing to take a big picture perspective of this virus are just as guilty as any leadership or media entity is in my opinion.  700 of your medical brothers and sisters just lost their jobs in largely unaffected ND and most of MN......but yet few doctors are willing to speak up against the ridiculousness of it all.

 

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2 hours ago, Goon said:

 

Wonder if they are counting those deaths as covid related?

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32 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

Take the bad 2017-2018 flu season when 79k people died from it.......and add in the extra Covid-19 level of hyper-sensitivity in counting deaths which would shoot that number much higher .....and you have our current Covid-19 situation (minus the crashed economy of course).  

Have you ever looked into how that number is calculated? If you're going to question Covid-19 numbers and but assume flu numbers are even close to accurate...

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Not minimizing the severity of suicide or suicide attempts at all.  AT ALL.  I agree the lockdown is not good for mental health.

However, Dr. deBoisblanc's full quote was: "I mean we've seen a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks."  Unfortunately, the Washington Examiner shortened that (and actually misquoted him) as saying he's seen a "year's worth of suicides" in the last four weeks, which better fits the Examiner's misleading headline that there have been more suicide deaths than coronavirus deaths.

Go to the actual source; don't accept the media's spin as truth.

Take care out there and be kind to one another.

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55 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

Take the bad 2017-2018 flu season when 79k people died from it.......and add in the extra Covid-19 level of hyper-sensitivity in counting deaths which would shoot that number much higher .....and you have our current Covid-19 situation (minus the crashed economy of course).  

The doctors that keep refusing to take a big picture perspective of this virus are just as guilty as any leadership or media entity is in my opinion.  700 of your medical brothers and sisters just lost their jobs in largely unaffected ND and most of MN......but yet few doctors are willing to speak up against the ridiculousness of it all.

 

Ok so let's take that bad flu season and subtract 15k from covid to account for any bogus deaths.  We're at the same number of deaths in less time AND with extreme measures in place to minimize spread.

I'm very well aware of the effect on the economy and have been directly affected by it in multiple ways.  I'm a bit surprised how conservative certain areas are being, given the low number of cases, but I also think decisions can be more convoluted when it isn't clear whether or not the region has peaked.  We got clearance for amb surg and elective cases yesterday (we'll start on tues at about 20% of our pre-covid surgery load), but I know that can be quickly taken away again if cases spike.

I've seen the medical side of covid to an extent I'm guessing no one else here has.  In no way can I understate the absolute trauma of what has happened here in NY. It is unlike anything I have ever seen, and I desperately hope to never see again. Seeing the big picture and agreeing on "the ridiculousness of it all" aren't mutually inclusive.

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20 minutes ago, keikla said:

Ok so let's take that bad flu season and subtract 15k from covid to account for any bogus deaths.  We're at the same number of deaths in less time AND with extreme measures in place to minimize spread.

I'm very well aware of the effect on the economy and have been directly affected by it in multiple ways.  I'm a bit surprised how conservative certain areas are being, given the low number of cases, but I also think decisions can be more convoluted when it isn't clear whether or not the region has peaked.  We got clearance for amb surg and elective cases yesterday (we'll start on tues at about 20% of our pre-covid surgery load), but I know that can be quickly taken away again if cases spike.

I've seen the medical side of covid to an extent I'm guessing no one else here has.  In no way can I understate the absolute trauma of what has happened here in NY. It is unlike anything I have ever seen, and I desperately hope to never see again. Seeing the big picture and agreeing on "the ridiculousness of it all" aren't mutually inclusive.

Do you think that level of novel trauma will ever happen again with Covid cases?

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1 hour ago, bison73 said:

Wonder if they are counting those deaths as covid related?

That's a good question. 

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3 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

….and if McFeely calls out Walz for being a complete idiot based on his decisions he made on Wednesday you know Walz really messed up.

I said early on this lock-down would cause mental health issues. 

Well, I find myself agreeing with McFeely, and Derek Hanson on KFGO. 

 

See ... I was right. :D 

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1 hour ago, jdub27 said:

Have you ever looked into how that number is calculated? If you're going to question Covid-19 numbers and but assume flu numbers are even close to accurate...

That's a good question, too. We're finding out some states inflated their COVID cases numbers. 

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After facing weeks of criticism for not being transparent with data about the coronavirus, state officials on Wednesday acknowledged that a test type that does not measure active cases inflated published test counts by 57,000, or roughly 14% of total tests to date. (Link

Also, from GA. 

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“You’re putting apples and oranges together and calling them oranges,” said Dr. Harry J. Heiman, a clinical associate professor at Georgia State University’s School of Public Health. “You’re mixing two different tests. ...All that does is over-inflate the testing number. (LINK)

The State of Virginia did it too. 

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Earlier this week, we learned that for several weeks, the Commonwealth of Virginia has been combining viral test data with antibody test data in their public reporting on COVID-19. Virginia officials suggested that other states were pooling these two types of results so that, in essence, Virginia was forced to combine them to keep up. (Link)

 

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3 minutes ago, Goon said:

That's a good question, too. We're finding out some states inflated their COVID cases numbers. 

Also, from GA. 

The State of Virginia did it too. 

 

If only there was some sort of leadership that would have set a standard for all states.

In other news some states have been found to be under-counting covid deaths...

https://komonews.com/news/local/state-epidemiologists-covid-19-related-deaths-likely-being-undercounted-in-wa

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25 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Do you think that level of novel trauma will ever happen again with Covid cases?

I don't know.  I think progress made in treatment over the past two months helps with future issues, but even that knowledge isn't widespread because of study and publication lag.

I was talking to a colleague yesterday, and she compared this experience to her experience post 9/11.  She said this was worse because 1) it's open-ended, and 2) after 9/11 the country unified. Now everyone is angry and divided, and we're left in this isolated hell without much support.

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1 minute ago, MrEdway said:

Yeah right...then you'd be bitching about what a dictator Trump is. You can't have the same standard for New York and  North Dakota. it's asinine.

What is asinine about having the same standard for counting covid infections and deaths from state to state?

Maybe if we didn't put a dog breeder in in to lead the pandemic task force?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-hhschief-speci/special-report-former-labradoodle-breeder-was-tapped-to-lead-u-s-pandemic-task-force-idUSKCN2243CE

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