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29 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

What are we doing now? Apparently we are all vulnerable, no?

For once answer the question, why are the people most protected dying?   They are ruining the lives of 99 percent of the population to try and protect the vulnerable, and guess what it isn't working.   

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1 hour ago, dlsiouxfan said:

I think it's important that we call out who's responsible for this mess and not just complain about it.    Trump and his movement's legacy (whether he wins or loses in November) will be a few hundred thousand dead Americans and a destroyed economy because he couldn't be bothered to do his job.   He and his supporters have weakened this country immeasurably and I'm not sorry that pointing it out hurts your feelings. 

You're delusional. 2 months ago millions were predicted to die in the US. Hasn't even come close. Trump must be doing something right. And ALL the blame lies solely  with China.

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40 minutes ago, tnt said:

For once answer the question, why are the people most protected dying?   They are ruining the lives of 99 percent of the population to try and protect the vulnerable, and guess what it isn't working.   

Maybe because we are failing at protecting them? No $hit it’s not working, so what do you suggest is done about it?

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7 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

Maybe because we are failing at protecting them? No $hit it’s not working, so what do you suggest is done about it?

Until we get a rapid result test that's both accurate and widely available, there's probably not much more that can be done. Has anybody read anything about the timeline for that being available? 

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2 hours ago, dlsiouxfan said:

  Trump and his movement's legacy (whether he wins or loses in November) will be a few hundred thousand dead Americans and a destroyed economy because he couldn't be bothered to do his job.   He and his supporters have weakened this country immeasurably and I'm not sorry that pointing it out hurts your feelings. 

Wow, you really need to seek help. This virus came to us from China, they hid information about the virus. But, in your world, you hatred for President Trump had made you very petty. 

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4 minutes ago, Goon said:

Wow, you really need to seek help. This virus came to us from China, they hid information about the virus. But, in your world, you hatred for President Trump had made you very petty. 

It's sad and pathetic to see people do this.  But what is even worse is seeing democratic "leaders" act the same way.  Trump Derangement Syndrome is a real thing.  Blaming all the problems of the country on him and taking zero responsibility for your own actions is an irresponsible and dangerous way to live you life. 

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19 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

Maybe because we are failing at protecting them? No $hit it’s not working, so what do you suggest is done about it?

There is no great answer to this question, and certainly not an answer which will appease folks with your mindset.   The human condition always wins.  Some of us are vulnerable, some are not.  Killing countless others as a byproduct of this mess. and killing the economy in a feeble attempt to save some folks that unfortunately can't be saved makes zero sense.  We are taking all reasonable steps to protect the vulnerable.  We were dealt a bad hand, we still need to play it.

Tack on another covid death.  An acquaintance took his own life last week as an absolutely result of this mess. Small business owner who employed several family members.  All went to crap, but nobody cares about that...

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No rational person let’s the ship sink when you can seal 2% of the crew behind the hatch and stay seaworthy.
 

 

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14 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:

No rational person let’s the ship sink when you can seal 2% of the crew behind the hatch and stay seaworthy.

Given that comment, what do you think the motivation for someone like Walz to make the decisions he is, knowing that it will continue to hurt the economy of his state? It obviously isn't to push his poll numbers up. Clearly there is something driving these decisions as a politician's job rely on their consitutents approving of their job.

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59 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

Maybe because we are failing at protecting them? No $hit it’s not working, so what do you suggest is done about it?

I wasn't the one that was insinuating that people that wanted the economy open didn't care about the vulnerable.  Now you are telling me there is no way to protect them. Ironic.

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2 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Given that comment, what do you think the motivation for someone like Walz has is to make the decisions he is, knowing that it will continue to hurt the economy of his state? I mean, he clearly isn't doing it to make himself more popular/re-electable in regards to that. 

We’ve seen the individually tragic stories dominate certain types of thinking.  Think about drunk driving.  The odds of causing a wreck that kills people doesn’t go up noticeably until you are over 0.15 BAC, yet our law is at 0.08.  Individually tragic events garner sympathy and ignore rational thought.  

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Saw this study yesterday.

And this one. Apparently, your diabetes medicine might help in the fight against COVI19. 

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25 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:

We’ve seen the individually tragic stories dominate certain types of thinking.  Think about drunk driving.  The odds of causing a wreck that kills people doesn’t go up noticeably until you are over 0.15 BAC, yet our law is at 0.08.  Individually tragic events garner sympathy and ignore rational thought.  

So your observation is that around 50 governors are independentally acting with varying levels of irrationality based on indivdiual tragic events? The actual number might vary by a few because I suppose it depends on what someone considers as reasonable guidelines given the circumstances.

Not saying I don't diasagree with various decisions mades, I'm frankly only concerned about one state, but I'm just curious what people think the actual motivations and end games are.

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36 minutes ago, tnt said:

I wasn't the one that was insinuating that people that wanted the economy open didn't care about the vulnerable.  Now you are telling me there is no way to protect them. Ironic.

There’s plenty that could be done to protect them, but some choose to blatantly disregard these safeguards as their civil liberties are more important.

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15 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

So your observation is that around 50 governors are independentally acting with varying levels of irrationality based on indivdiual tragic events? The actual number might vary by a few because I suppose it depends on what someone considers as reasonable guidelines given the circumstances.

Not saying I don't diasagree with various decisions mades, I'm frankly only concerned about one state, but I'm just curious what people think the actual motivations and end games are.

I believe that almost all believe life is superordinate to the economy and they don’t want to be wrong and have 10% of their citizens die.  It’s foolish to think that way, but they are weighing worst case.  Some of the Dems might get added pleasure by tanking Trump in the process.  They might also believe that the economy is already tanked, so why worry about a lost cause.  

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9 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:

I believe that almost all believe life is superordinate to the economy and they don’t want to be wrong and have 10% of their citizens die.  It’s foolish to think that way, but they are weighing worst case.  Some of the Dems might get added pleasure by tanking Trump in the process.  They might also believe that the economy is already tanked, so why worry about a lost cause.  

But aren't they also sabotaging themselves when they come up for re-election if they have driven the economy into the ground? Cutting off the noses to spite the face so to speak? On top of that, aren't most of them pointing at the White House guidelines for re-opening and having to meet certani standards. That's where that line of thinking starts to get blurry with me. 

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38 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

There’s plenty that could be done to protect them, but some choose to blatantly disregard these safeguards as their civil liberties are more important.

You are all over the place. 

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25 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

But aren't they also sabotaging themselves when they come up for re-election if they have driven the economy into the ground? Cutting off the noses to spite the face so to speak? On top of that, aren't most of them pointing at the White House guidelines for re-opening and having to meet certani standards. That's where that line of thinking starts to get blurry with me. 

I think if the entire economy is in shambles, the only thing you can hang your hat on is the health outcomes.  Even if we do open up tomorrow, the damage is done.  It would give people hope, but the economy is wrecked for a couple years.

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43 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

There’s plenty that could be done to protect them, but some choose to blatantly disregard these safeguards as their civil liberties are more important.

Many a Patriot has sacrificed their life for liberty.  Some are in history books, some in distant fields and deserts and on beaches.  Some are names on walls or embodied in triangular folded flags on mantels and in dens. 


With their sacrifice in mind, I believe that civil liberties and economic freedom is more important than any individual’s illness or death.

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A while back Trump caught hell for saying something about disinfectants being used internally.  It struck me this morning, as I was doing my vitamins with a water/apple cider vinegar chaser, that I was kind of doing what Trump was talking about.

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2 hours ago, jdub27 said:

Given that comment, what do you think the motivation for someone like Walz to make the decisions he is, knowing that it will continue to hurt the economy of his state? It obviously isn't to push his poll numbers up. Clearly there is something driving these decisions as a politician's job rely on their consitutents approving of their job.

Other than he is a D I have no I idea.  You?

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Reality is beginning to set in. 

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"If there's no football season, or if football season is interrupted or shortened, there will be a massive fallout," TCU athletic director Jeremiah Donati told ESPN. "There would have to be massive cutbacks. Could the department go on? Sure. It would probably look smaller. There would potentially be fewer sports and much less programming."

 

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58 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:

Many a Patriot has sacrificed their life for liberty.  Some are in history books, some in distant fields and deserts and on beaches.  Some are names on walls or embodied in triangular folded flags on mantels and in dens. 


With their sacrifice in mind, I believe that civil liberties and economic freedom is more important than any individual’s illness or death.

Would you consider your right to be out without a mask a civil liberty?  Your right to socialize in a bar? How about your right to operate a business with a high number of employees in unsafe conditions? Even if all of the above are liberties, considering the situation shouldn’t we just do the right thing? Those patriots you mention gave up their liberties so we could have them. Why do we have the me first attitude now?

 

We have 1500 people per day dying from covid right now in our country and many are a little concerned of what this number will look like a month from now. How many covid deaths per day is suitable before we start scaling back again?

 

 

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