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48 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:

Only thing you could do is freeze payments to Chinese investors.  They would dump those bonds then, driving the price down.  At a certain yield it would paralyze our ability to issue more debt, because we’d have to up the yield at par I.e high interest...  Then everything that’s pegged off us treasuries would be impacted.  Including stocks and commodities and mortgages.  

It would devastate the world economy.

This is what would happen.

I also want to be clear what it is that we're going to punish China for doing.   They concealed the presence of the coronavirus and actively tried to suppress the outbreak in Wuhan from international scrutiny and media coverage.   I guess how is that different than what you all have been advocating that we do for 235 pages now.   Either the disease is horrible and any government that works to conceal it from it's citizens and media is committing an atrocity or it's a nothingburger, in which case who can blame China for how they handled it.   It really can't be both.

Disclaimer:  Nothing above should be considered a defense of China.   China is governed by a murderous, autocratic regime that is carrying out an active genocide against the Uighur people and other ethnic minorities within the country.  The U.S. should be taking measures to minimize their influence across the globe and encourage leadership changes within the CCP and a removal of Xi from power but those measures are going to have to be a lot more skillful than launching a nuke or defaulting on our debt.   It's going to take statecraft that is completely lacking in this administration.

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The only people who need to be tested are health care workers, the elderly, and those with underlying health conditions.  If you are young (under 50) and healthy and are taking up a test kit, crowding

This country is being bright to its knees by fear....not the virus. Recovery from getting the virus is a couple weeks. Recovery of society from this hysteria will be years.

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29 minutes ago, dlsiouxfan said:

This is what would happen.

I also want to be clear what it is that we're going to punish China for doing.   They concealed the presence of the coronavirus and actively tried to suppress the outbreak in Wuhan from international scrutiny and media coverage.   I guess how is that different than what you all have been advocating that we do for 235 pages now.   Either the disease is horrible and any government that works to conceal it from it's citizens and media is committing an atrocity or it's a nothingburger, in which case who can blame China for how they handled it.   It really can't be both.

Disclaimer:  Nothing above should be considered a defense of China.   China is governed by a murderous, autocratic regime that is carrying out an active genocide against the Uighur people and other ethnic minorities within the country.  Donald J. Trump  has been taking measures to minimize their influence across the globe and encourage leadership changes within the CCP and a removal of Xi from power but those measures are going to have to be a lot more skillful than launching a nuke or defaulting on our debt.   It's going to take statecraft that is completely lacking in this administration.

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On 5/8/2020 at 3:28 PM, Frozen4sioux said:

Telling healthy people they are Orange Man badlike for not wearing a face pantie in public is absurdly unintelligent.

Kind of ironic now that Trump himself made a directive that staffers and visitors to the West Wing must wear masks unless they are sitting at their desks and able to socially distance. Most of these people are tested frequently (daily), so in essence, he's requiring healthy people to wear masks to be at work.

Also a bit interesting that the directive does not apply to him personally. Rules for thee but not for me?

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56 minutes ago, dlsiouxfan said:

This is what would happen.

I also want to be clear what it is that we're going to punish China for doing.   They concealed the presence of the coronavirus and actively tried to suppress the outbreak in Wuhan from international scrutiny and media coverage.   I guess how is that different than what you all have been advocating that we do for 235 pages now.   Either the disease is horrible and any government that works to conceal it from it's citizens and media is committing an atrocity or it's a nothingburger, in which case who can blame China for how they handled it.   It really can't be both.

Disclaimer:  Nothing above should be considered a defense of China.   China is governed by a murderous, autocratic regime that is carrying out an active genocide against the Uighur people and other ethnic minorities within the country.  The U.S. should be taking measures to minimize their influence across the globe and encourage leadership changes within the CCP and a removal of Xi from power but those measures are going to have to be a lot more skillful than launching a nuke or defaulting on our debt.   It's going to take statecraft that is completely lacking in this administration.

Prior to Trump, the administrations for the last 30 years were complete wusses in dealing with China.  Everyone knew (both Rs and Ds) that China was a problem, and that the trade deals were absolute crap, but nobody had the guts to do anything about it.  Love him or hate him, Trump was the first to actually stand up to China and try to change that relationship.

As Yzerman said earlier, China has to be laughing their butt off at our reaction to this.

If China stopped/banned travel from Wuhan to other parts of China, but allowed tens of thousands of  folks from Wuhan to travel internationally that's a problem.

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1 hour ago, UNDBIZ said:

The economic devastation the pandemic wreaks on the ultra-poor could ultimately kill more people than the virus itself.....

The U.N. predicts the coronavirus could push an additional 130 million people to the brink of starvation by the end of 2020. World Vision, an international Christian aid organization, warns that 30 million children are at risk of dying.

From what I'm hearing from the left, all we need to do is get these people more tests and everything will be fine.  

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May I suggest that congress and the press go on a cruise and come back when the virus is gone 

talked to a lefty today and China didn’t have anything to do with the spread of this

maybe he should be on the cruise too

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7 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Weren't his fifteen minutes up five weeks ago?

I discount everything Fauci says now.  I’ve had it with him and all the other “academics” that now are on the path of no future unless we vaccinate the world against covid.  
 

nobody shall do anything.  We must isolate, contact trace, test everybody for covid like a diabetic tests their sugar.   Sheep please cower in your homes.  You shall have no hope until the royals deem it okay. 

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1 hour ago, jdub27 said:

Kind of ironic now that Trump himself made a directive that staffers and visitors to the West Wing must wear masks unless they are sitting at their desks and able to socially distance. Most of these people are tested frequently (daily), so in essence, he's requiring healthy people to wear masks to be at work.

Also a bit interesting that the directive does not apply to him personally. Rules for thee but not for me?

Perks of being the man, I guess

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2 hours ago, jdub27 said:

Kind of ironic now that Trump himself made a directive that staffers and visitors to the West Wing must wear masks unless they are sitting at their desks and able to socially distance. 

Also a bit interesting that the directive does not apply to him personally. Rules for thee but not for me?

Kind of ironic that the liberals who poked fun at Trump three years ago for being a “germ phobe” now want him to socially distance, wear a mask himself, and be the comforter-in-chief while visiting those who have coronavirus.  
 

Damned if he does...damned if he doesn’t...

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The tribalism that I’m seeing is scary.  I even feel it myself.  I have nothing in common with an 80 year old New Yorker...thus, I feel some empathy, but not much.  No more than I feel for some kid in Afghanistan.  Just some basic humanity, but not at my inconvenience.  I am reflecting on this and likely not alone.  What frightens me even more is if political bias or racial differences create that same tribalism within a geo or age band....I’m guessing for some it does in a different way...maybe even true animosity vs simple indifference.  Something to reflect on anyway...at least for me as I try and reconcile so much madness.

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6 hours ago, UNDBIZ said:

I'm not real familiar with T bond trading.  Are they not frequently traded on the open market?  Would we be able to identify and nullify only the China-held bonds?  Would we be able to prevent the sale of the China-held bonds to others around the world?  Assuming this all takes planning, would we be able to act and lock down the market before China finds out and launches a fire-sale?  Would other countries holding America's debt trust that we would not do the same to them in the future?  The idea of punching a hole in China's bank account while making our balance sheet better sounds nice, but how feasible is it while maintaining our financial system?

But believe it or not, the legal authority exists, and has been used in the past (by James Earl Carter). 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-united-states-china-debt-breakingview/breakingviews-america-could-actually-shirk-its-debts-to-china-idUSKBN22G05Q

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11 hours ago, dlsiouxfan said:

So a default on our national debt- that would be a complete economic disaster that would make the last 8 weeks seem like a walk in the park.   What is it with conservatism/ libertarianism and the inability to think anything through? 

Here's what gets us out of this..... Trump loses badly in November and much like Bush before him hands the keys to a house on fire to Biden and a Democratic majority Senate.  Democrats then take on the hard work of cleaning up the mess the Republican Party and Trump left for them, while the same Republicans take whatever actions possible to make economic recovery/ contain v8ment of the virus as difficult as possible.   Despite this, the virus is eventually contained and the economy turns around.   After which, the debt and deficit will be addressed and some folks taxes will have to go up, which will be a small sacrifice in comparison to the workers you're asking to die of coronavirus for the sake of our economy and "patriotism".

At some point, the economy will start doing so well that people will forget what a mess Republican governance looks like and elect another Republican president and Senate and we'll start the whole process over again.   Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Once again... for yourself, for everybody.

Stop. Smoking. The. Meth.

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4 hours ago, MafiaMan said:

Kind of ironic that the liberals who poked fun at Trump three years ago for being a “germ phobe” now want him to socially distance, wear a mask himself, and be the comforter-in-chief while visiting those who have coronavirus.  
 

Damned if he does...damned if he doesn’t...

I don't have an opinion on the liberals who have been looking for things to nitpick on Trump since day 1 other than it is pretty funny that they can't see their stupid and pointless criticisms of him feed into exactly what he needs to cause distractions.

I was pointing out the humor and irony that a keyboard virologist citing "Science" about how masks were pointless and telling healthy people to wear them is "absurdly unintelligent" and then just a few days later, Trump did exactly that as these people are tested daily. I'm sure there is a great explanation for it though. 

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4 hours ago, yzerman19 said:

The tribalism that I’m seeing is scary.  I even feel it myself.  I have nothing in common with an 80 year old New Yorker...thus, I feel some empathy, but not much.  No more than I feel for some kid in Afghanistan.  Just some basic humanity, but not at my inconvenience.  I am reflecting on this and likely not alone.  What frightens me even more is if political bias or racial differences create that same tribalism within a geo or age band....I’m guessing for some it does in a different way...maybe even true animosity vs simple indifference.  Something to reflect on anyway...at least for me as I try and reconcile so much madness.

 

4 hours ago, MafiaMan said:

Kind of ironic that the liberals who poked fun at Trump three years ago for being a “germ phobe” now want him to socially distance, wear a mask himself, and be the comforter-in-chief while visiting those who have coronavirus.  
 

Damned if he does...damned if he doesn’t...

the media is so mean to him - OH WAIT!   Who exactly has he "visited" with coronavirus?   He's the tanned bleach-blond "CHEERLEADER" for the USA who's never gone anywhere near the hell-holes of ER's jammed with covid patients - never gone to the "front lines" of this self-declared "WAR" to visit the docs and nurses battling this misery everyday for days on end.   He went to a mask factory and didn't bother to wear a mask and he was there for a PHOTO OPP??   (PR101 idiot - WEAR A MASK!)

He did wear weird googly eye glasses for some reason.  A bad day for him is when (mainly female media members) ask "NASTY" questions and he has a tantrum and walks away.    He blew it and he's trying to make it look like he's the hero.   Thankfully most of America isn't that stupid. At least I hope...

Not ironic - to quote the former Vikings coach - he "is who we thought he is" - a phony!

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48 minutes ago, gfNDfan said:

 

the media is so mean to him - OH WAIT!   Who exactly has he "visited" with coronavirus?   He's the tanned bleach-blond "CHEERLEADER" for the USA who's never gone anywhere near the hell-holes of ER's jammed with covid patients - never gone to the "front lines" of this self-declared "WAR" to visit the docs and nurses battling this misery everyday for days on end.   He went to a mask factory and didn't bother to wear a mask and he was there for a PHOTO OPP??   (PR101 idiot - WEAR A MASK!)

He did wear weird googly eye glasses for some reason.  A bad day for him is when (mainly female media members) ask "NASTY" questions and he has a tantrum and walks away.    He blew it and he's trying to make it look like he's the hero.   Thankfully most of America isn't that stupid. At least I hope...

Not ironic - to quote the former Vikings coach - he "is who we thought he is" - a phony!

Imagine being you, lol.

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6 hours ago, UND1983 said:

Do you really think the sitting President of the United States is going to go into a red-hot ER and "visit" people?  At least use your melon before you post. 

His idol Putin did, so why not?

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The PPE needed for ER and inpatient care (masks, gowns, booties, bonnets, etc) is still extremely hard to come by.  I'm all for not wasting that supply on anyone who doesn't absolutely have to be there.

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41 minutes ago, keikla said:

The PPE needed for ER and inpatient care (masks, gowns, booties, bonnets, etc) is still extremely hard to come by.  I'm all for not wasting that supply on anyone who doesn't absolutely have to be there.

You know we have a ppe shortage when there’s not enough to outfit our self serving president.

 

In other news, he lets his true colors show again. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/11/media/trump-press-briefing-weijia-jian-kaitlan-collins/index.html

 

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