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7 hours ago, UND1983 said:

I was way off base a few weeks ago though

 

His twitter feed is a must follow. 

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17 hours ago, dynato said:

He is doing the opposite of turning a blind eye. Walz is making decisions off the middle to extreme ends of all death projections brought to him. It is evident he cares more about preservation of life at this point in time than the economy. 

Well, if that’s the case, here is a list of other things that need to be shut down or banned forever so Minnesotans don’t get hurt:

state parks - someone might fall and die.

bike trails - someone might fall and die.

youth hockey - someone might get hit by a puck and die.

coffee shops - someone might get addicted to caffeine and die.

baseball games - someone might take a bad hop at SS and get hit by a ball and die.

tricycles and bicycles - a toddler or child could tip over and die.

New Year’s Eve and July 4th - self-explanatory.

Hey, if it saves just one life, it’s worth it, right?

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3 hours ago, dynato said:

Where are the educated and well articulated letters to Forum Communications to counter the bed wetting doomsdayers?

We don't subscribe.

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25 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

Well, if that’s the case, here is a list of other things that need to be shut down or banned forever so Minnesotans don’t get hurt:

state parks - someone might fall and die.

bike trails - someone might fall and die.

youth hockey - someone might get hit by a puck and die.

coffee shops - someone might get addicted to caffeine and die.

baseball games - someone might take a bad hop at SS and get hit by a ball and die.

tricycles and bicycles - a toddler could tip over and die.

Hey, if it saves just one life, it’s worth it, right?

I understand that the decision to preserve a life is a tricky and touchy subject to understand. The economic impact of losing a human life is right around 10 Million dollars. Most decisions for implementing safety precautions in our every day lives are made against this value.  What this means is that if the cost of saving one life exceeds 10 million dollars, then it is considered a poor financial decision and likely won't be implemented.

The list you made averages single digit deaths and does not meet the cost of mandating the implementation of safety precautions everywhere. If Minnesota thinks they can save 20,000 lives from the virus by implementing rigorous stay at home measures, to them that is saving them 200 billion dollars. Whether or not 20,000 lives were at risk, that is the debate this will be weighed against in the future. 

 

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7 minutes ago, MrEdway said:

We don't subscribe.

Neither do I. Oxbow was the one who brought up the forum communications doomsday opinion article mind you. 

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4 minutes ago, dynato said:

I understand that the decision to preserve a life is a tricky and touchy subject to understand. The economic impact of losing a human life is right around 10 Million dollars. Most decisions for implementing safety precautions in our every day lives are made against this value.  What this means is that if the cost of saving one life exceeds 10 million dollars, then it is considered a poor financial decision and likely won't be implemented.

The list you made averages single digit deaths and does not meet the cost of mandating the implementation of safety precautions everywhere. If Minnesota thinks they can save 20,000 lives from the virus by implementing rigorous stay at home measures, to them that is saving them 200 billion dollars. Whether or not 20,000 lives were at risk, that is the debate this will be weighed against in the future. 

Just looking at the cold, unemotional numbers, does the death of a 90 year old possess the same economic impact as that of a 30 year old?

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50 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

Just looking at the cold, unemotional numbers, does the death of a 90 year old possess the same economic impact as that of a 30 year old?

Statistically no. Value of a life decreases with age. Morally yes, all life is created equal, which is why the government bases every life regardless of age, at 10 million dollars. In a position where you have to chose between saving a 30 year old and a 90 year old, you chose the 30 year old. 

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3 hours ago, UND1983 said:

How will I know we went about this wrong and severely overreacted?  We, as a country, will never do it this way, this extreme, again in my lifetime. 

December could have a 2nd wave?

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2 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

December could have a 2nd wave?

Good thing we'll be into the influenza season by then.

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19 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

Maybe we can count them as influenza patients then.

Or Fauci can call for a shelter in place nation wide order around Halloween for 3 months to help mitigate both?

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29 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

December could have a 2nd wave?

You think we react the same way again?  

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1 minute ago, UND1983 said:

You think we react the same way again?  

Zero chance

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How do they come up with $10M?  That’s $100k of economic value add for 100 years...

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Just now, yzerman19 said:

How do they come up with $10M?  That’s $100k of economic value add for 100 years...

Most people can agree life is priceless. However, a value must be defined for many decisions.  It is not based solely off what the average american makes times life expectancy. There is a whole lot of research into this and it is a well established number. The most well known method is the Value of Statistical Life (VSL).  It is basically the number at which americans are willing to accept a larger risk of death for more pay or willing to accept a larger risk of death for paying less. 

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-value-of-life/

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2 hours ago, UNDBIZ said:

Just looking at the cold, unemotional numbers, does the death of a 90 year old possess the same economic impact as that of a 30 year old?

I think we have death panels for that...or used to.

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52 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

December could have a 2nd wave?

could we send everyone over 65 to mesa, az on dec 1 for three months...

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1 hour ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

could we send everyone over 65 to mesa, az on dec 1 for three months...

Many over 65 are already going to gated communities is Messa.
Just have to round up the last few.

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13 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

Many over 65 are already going to gated communities is Messa.
Just have to round up the last few.

Didn't Seinfeld have a joke about this, expect it was about Florida?

Paging @Siouxphan27

 

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@dynato What kind of drugs or Russian gas are you on? I want in. Stay in your lane, take a breath and relax. 
 

Let that mind relax and be calm for a bit. Good gawd. 

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According to the Herald. 

Burgums new rules: "standing in bars is prohibited."

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39 minutes ago, Cratter said:

According to the Herald. 

Burgums new rules: "standing in bars is prohibited."

Won’t the inmates be surprised.

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