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35 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Well, now he's come out admitted he said it but he was being sarcastic. His words were literally "I see that the disinfectant knocks it out in a minute, is there a way we can do something like that, an injection inside,". 

And I would think there is a difference between advancing out of the box ideas vs. pondering such things as the President in a national press briefing. As was mentioned previously, Birx looked horrified at where his random train of thought was going.

I would also say that the media played it up much worse than it was but I'm not sure who's worse....Trump not being able to admit when he's wrong or has made a mistake or the other side, including many media members, who criticizes every single breath he takes even when he does the right thing. Absolutely maddening.

“something like that” ....  the three key words in your quote everyone who hates the President is suddenly incapable of comprehending.  

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Just got an email from GF Schools.....apparently some elementary parents complained that 3-4 hours a day....M-F.....with basically 1 math and reading assignment per day was too much.....so cutting back online learning to M-Thur with even fewer Math and Reading assignments.  Unbelievable. 

Might as well totally shut down instead of keeping up the illusion that any learning is occuring. 

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Just now, TheFlop said:

Just got an email from GF Schools.....apparently some elementary parents complained that 3-4 hours a day....M-F.....with basically 1 math and reading assignment per day was too much.....so cutting back online learning to M-Thur with even fewer Math and Reading assignments.  Unbelievable. 

Who's shocked by that? Same parents that would prefer to claim unemployment and have lockdown go until their kids graduate HS.

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3 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Who's shocked by that? Same parents that would prefer to claim unemployment and have lockdown go until their kids graduate HS.

if it saves even one life.....

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23 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

“something like that” ....  the three key words in your quote everyone who hates the President is suddenly incapable of comprehending.  

So something like what then? Please clear it up since the White House and President haven't decided which actual defense they are going with.

First he was taken out of context and now he claims he was being sarcastic. I literally don't have an issue with what he said. He was clearly just rambling about info he had recently gotten and was thinking outloud and took it a bit far. But the fact that he can't just admit that and the people who defend him to no end is as laughable as the media that covers him is.

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I’m inclined to think Trump is dealing with some condition.   At times he’s sharp as a razor; other times he has difficulty grasping and articulating basic concepts.

This from 2 weeks ago was flat out ridiculous.

 

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4 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

I’m inclined to think Trump is dealing with some condition.   At times he’s sharp as a razor; other times he has difficulty grasping and articulating basic concepts.

This from 2 weeks ago was flat out ridiculous.

 

Kt's called being a successful entrepreneur .

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5 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

So something like what then? Please clear it up since the White House and President haven't decided which actual defense they are going with.

First he was taken out of context and now he claims he was being sarcastic. I literally don't have an issue with what he said. He was clearly just rambling about info he had recently gotten and was thinking outloud and took it a bit far. But the fact that he can't just admit that and the people who defend him to no end is as laughable as the media that covers him is.

Yeah...I’m disappointed in the spin now...nothing wrong with the original statement, but now spinning it as sarcasm is just weak.  
 

country is so divided politically.  It’s beyond unification.  

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9 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

I’m inclined to think Trump is dealing with some condition.   At times he’s sharp as a razor; other times he has difficulty grasping and articulating basic concepts.

This from 2 weeks ago was flat out ridiculous.

 

Again, I would think he’s musing about antibiotic resistant bacterial mutations...which are real (MRSA)...it’s just not communicated well.

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31 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

So something like what then? Please clear it up since the White House and President haven't decided which actual defense they are going with.

First he was taken out of context and now he claims he was being sarcastic. I literally don't have an issue with what he said. He was clearly just rambling about info he had recently gotten and was thinking outloud and took it a bit far. But the fact that he can't just admit that and the people who defend him to no end is as laughable as the media that covers him is.

Just a FYI for you....Pennsylvania DOH just removed 200 "probable" COVID deaths from it's total.

Sorry for your loss.

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2 hours ago, yzerman19 said:

Again, I would think he’s musing about antibiotic resistant bacterial mutations...which are real (MRSA)...it’s just not communicated well.

 

Yes I think that's evident.        

As with his disinfectant remark, any intelligent person should be able to grasp what he's saying; or at least the gist of it.  However his middle-school level prose, arrogance and his sometimes disconnected train of thought opens him up to criticism.  Even if you agree with his politics, people also have the right to expect more professionalism from the President.  But whatever, maybe 'keeping things dumb' is an attractive feature for some in today's reality TV show era.   

But all this highlights my main point........in old interviews of Trump (80s/90/00), he's far more articulate, insightful and coherent.        

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34 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

 

Yes I think that's evident.        

As with his disinfectant remark, any intelligent person should be able to grasp what he's saying; or at least the gist of it.  However his middle-school level prose, arrogance and his sometimes disconnected train of thought opens him up to criticism.  Even if you agree with his politics, people also have the right to expect more professionalism from the President.  But I dunno, maybe that's an attractive feature for some in today's reality TV show era.   

But all this highlights my main point........in old interviews of Trump (80s/90/00), he's far more articulate, insightful and coherent.        

He is always counter punching the liberal, lying media and rightfully so.  I wish he didn't have to but very few reporters or news organizations gather news.  They generally opine.

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1 hour ago, Nodak78 said:

He is always counter punching the liberal, lying media and rightfully so.  I wish he didn't have to but very few reporters or news organizations gather news.  They generally opine.

 

Wait, what?  What does Trump's incoherence or disconnected train of thought (compared to his former self) have to do with counter-punching the liberal media?   Absolutely nothing.  

My goodness.  The 'liberal lying media'  has become people's automatic go-to response for everything.  It's ingrained at this point.  I suppose perpetually playing the victim card is a good political ploy by Trump, but I'd *hope* people have the insight to see through it.   Getting torn to pieces by the media is part of the job.  Always has been.  Obama was likewise eviscerated by right wing outlets and pundits.   

Anyhow this topic has gone far beyond covid-19 into unneeded political bickering.   I'm out.

      

  

 

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2 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

Just a FYI for you....Pennsylvania DOH just removed 200 "probable" COVID deaths from it's total.

Sorry for your loss.

Not sure where your think my stance and beliefs sit but this changes me opinion zero in either way. But I'm sure there are those on both sides who have their opinions on how those people's death cause being changed will be politicized.

But congrats on them being able to be removed from the numerator I guess? I'm told a number of around 0.3% is an insignificant amount so it shouldn't matter

 

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29 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

 

Wait, what?  What does Trump's incoherence or disconnected train of thought (compared to his former self) have to do with counter-punching the liberal media?   Absolutely nothing.  

My goodness.  The 'liberal lying media'  has become people's automatic go-to response for everything.  It's ingrained at this point.  I suppose perpetually playing the victim card is a good political ploy by Trump, but I'd *hope* people have the insight to see through it.   Getting torn to pieces by the media is part of the job.  Always has been.  Obama was likewise eviscerated by right wing outlets and pundits.   

Anyhow this topic has gone far beyond covid-19 into unneeded political bickering.   I'm out.

      

  

 

Bye

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3 hours ago, jdub27 said:

So something like what then? Please clear it up since the White House and President haven't decided which actual defense they are going with.

First he was taken out of context and now he claims he was being sarcastic. I literally don't have an issue with what he said. He was clearly just rambling about info he had recently gotten and was thinking outloud and took it a bit far. But the fact that he can't just admit that and the people who defend him to no end is as laughable as the media that covers him is.

Something like, let it go.  

Not you personally- just my thoughts on people once again making a mountain out of a molehill.   

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38 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

Something like, let it go.  

Not you personally- just my thoughts on people once again making a mountain out of a molehill.   

So was the comment out of context or was it said sarcastically? Or it should be ignored like your infer. So many messages on how to take an exact quote from the president. It's ok to criticize people for making mistakes and also approving of proper decisions. People on both sides would be better off accepting that idea. 

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15 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

So was the comment out of context or was it said sarcastically? Or it should be ignored like your infer. So many messages on how to take an exact quote from the president. It's ok to criticize people for making mistakes and also approving of proper decisions. People on both sides would be better off accepting that idea. 

I guess put me in the category of I don’t know/care.  It was off the cuff and anyone who has paid attention the last 3.5 years knows his style. 

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16 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

I guess put me in the category of I don’t know/care.  It was off the cuff and anyone who has paid attention the last 3.5 years knows his style. 

I guess I expect a bit more from the President during an official press conference. Maybe better spots to spitball possible random medical solutions but just my opinion. People are stupid and listen to random things the President says (regardless of party). Call it Darwinism and people will do what they do, but understand the power of the pulpit. 

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32 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

So was the comment out of context or was it said sarcastically? Or it should be ignored like your infer. So many messages on how to take an exact quote from the president. It's ok to criticize people for making mistakes and also approving of proper decisions. People on both sides would be better off accepting that idea. 

Its something he does on a regular basis.  Hes given some new information, he then starts thinking to himself out loud and rambles. Its not a good look. Of course he cant admit it but then again the anti Trumpers blow it out of proportion on everything he does and says.  Then again if he would just STFU at times he wouldnt have as many issues.

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3 hours ago, bison73 said:

Its something he does on a regular basis.  Hes given some new information, he then starts thinking to himself out loud and rambles. Its not a good look. Of course he cant admit it but then again the anti Trumpers blow it out of proportion on everything he does and says.  Then again if he would just STFU at times he wouldnt have as many issues.

The phrase "holding someone accountable" is now synonymous "blowing it out of proportion". It sets a dangerous, dangerous precedent. Without allowing and accepting criticism this democratic constitutional republic would quickly become a dictatorship. Praise someone when they do something good, recognize when they do something bad, and move on.

 

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1 hour ago, dynato said:

The phrase "holding someone accountable" is now synonymous "blowing it out of proportion". It sets a dangerous, dangerous precedent. Without allowing and accepting criticism this democracy would quickly become a dictatorship. Praise someone when they do something good, recognize when they do something bad, and move on.

 

Holding him accountable for what? You are acting as though he committed an aggrevous crime. You and everyone can criticize all you want. Nobody is stopping you. But criticism should be proportional. When its not its blown out of proportion.

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2 hours ago, dynato said:

The phrase "holding someone accountable" is now synonymous "blowing it out of proportion". It sets a dangerous, dangerous precedent. Without allowing and accepting criticism this democracy would quickly become a dictatorship. Praise someone when they do something good, recognize when they do something bad, and move on.

 

Aren’t we a constitutional republic?  Just saying....a democracy is majority rules....I think a couple Pretty smart guys named Franklin, Jefferson, Adams...had very intelligent (and not always aligned) beliefs around preventing full blown democracy...

as a ND native living in CA I’ve had many opportunities to debate and remind people of why there are 2 houses of Congress and why there’s an electoral college...it wasn’t by accident...

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18 minutes ago, bison73 said:

Holding him accountable for what? You are acting as though he committed an aggrevous crime. You and everyone can criticize all you want. Nobody is stopping you. But criticism should be proportional. When its not its blown out of proportion.

Do not take it to the extreme and sensationalize what I said, that only deepens the mess. I didn't even reference Trump in my message. I was only speaking on the basics of checks and balances.

Please define what proportional criticism is and how it relates. I am very open for any positive news or positive criticism to balance this negative criticism and defensiveness out. 

11 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:

Aren’t we a constitutional republic?  Just saying....a democracy is majority rules....I think a couple Pretty smart guys named Franklin, Jefferson, Adams...had very intelligent (and not always aligned) beliefs around preventing full blown democracy...

as a ND native living in CA I’ve had many opportunities to debate and remind people of why there are 2 houses of Congress and why there’s an electoral college...it wasn’t by accident...

You are right. I updated it to say democratic constitutional republic. Semantics. Doesn't change my original message any. Popular vote is bad because one major city getting hacked could change the fate of an election. Thus highlighting the need for a safer system like the electoral college. 

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