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The only people who need to be tested are health care workers, the elderly, and those with underlying health conditions.  If you are young (under 50) and healthy and are taking up a test kit, crowding

This country is being bright to its knees by fear....not the virus. Recovery from getting the virus is a couple weeks. Recovery of society from this hysteria will be years.

It’s sad that about half the country still believes outlets like msnbc and cnn.  You would think after they lied everyday for 3 years about Russian collusion, people would get the hint of what their t

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20 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

USA now has roughly 5000 more confirmed cases than Italy yet.......

Italy death rate.....10.2%

USA death rate.....1.5%

Italy is a hot spot for travel, so the virus moved quickly throughout their population. Italy is also condensed, with trains being one of the most common modes of travel. Their population is also older than majority of first world countries (ranked 5th apparently). Their culture is set up so that the older generation lives with and is taken care of by the generation before them. Kids/adults appeared healthy, unknowingly bring the virus home to vulnerable mom/dad/grandma/grandma, which set up their system to fail. Their hospital systems were not set up for a rapid influx of patients needing respiratory care, leading to even higher than typical death tolls. I doubt any major health system in the modern world is prepared for a rapid influx of respiratory care, which is why many countries are sheltering. USA is at least more sparsely populated, besides for major cities, and there are not as many multi-generational family households which helps with the death rate. If the end result in the USA is that people think that our government over-reacted too much, that is fine because that was their goal. However, it would be heavily apparent if they under-reacted/failed to act leading to a death rate similar to that of Italy. 

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4 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

 How dare you blame this on our leaders. 

This isn't surprising... nothing is ever Trump's fault in the eyes of his supporters so someone else has to be to blame.  He can never fail but can only be failed.

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2 minutes ago, dlsiouxfan said:

This isn't surprising... nothing is ever Trump's fault in the eyes of his supporters so someone else has to be to blame.  He can never fail but can only be failed.

If you listened.  NYC health commissioner encouraged mingling, etc. On Feb 2.  

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6 minutes ago, Nodak78 said:

If you listened.  NYC health commissioner encouraged mingling, etc. On Feb 2.  

What is the point of this video? Did our leaders act appropriately or not? Trump is our leader and acted exactly the same as those criticized in this video, so it just comes off as hypocritical. Worse yet is the timeline in this video. The dates referenced in this video were February 2nd. A full 24 days before Trump famously said "[W]hen you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done." This is a similar reaction to those mentioned in the video, except there were no US cases on February 2nd, and there were only 15 cases on February 26th. In the context of this video, Trump seems agree with their takes on things not being a big deal while simultaneously being several weeks behind the reaction of the general populace. Not a great look when you think about it tbh

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There were cases on february 2nd, just unclear as if they were on US soil or if they were on a cruise ship.
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1 minute ago, Nodak78 said:

If you listened.  NYC health commissioner encouraged mingling, etc. On Feb 2.  

Ok, 6 weeks before the outbreak got bad in NYC. At the time, nobody was worried in the US.

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2 hours ago, dlsiouxfan said:

That is the strategy but our medical system has not ramped up enough to withstand the influx of patients.  Hospitals are running out of ventilators, PPE, and other materials in each of the hot spots and it's only getting worse because the Trump admin has completely botched the response.   Our president is a man of low capability who's mainly gotten through life by lying and bullshitting people and those aren't qualities that are going to help address this pandemic.

Don't drag me into your Trump hating ideology, only an idiot would think any president would have handled this with gold stars.  We as a country are not prepared for things, hopefully when this has run its course the lessons will be learned:  stock enough TP, have some savings, don't vote for people that are blowing smoke up your arse (that one is a trick, they all are).  Have a great day.

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29 minutes ago, Cratter said:

We know Dougie is next.

He loves to follow others.

Montana.....71 cases zero deaths for 1M residents

ND......52 cases zero deaths for 760K residents.

That's 0.007% of the population in each state.

"Facts over fears".........."but Beach is really really close to Montana so we better shelter in place too".  ~ Gov. Burgum

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29 minutes ago, dynato said:

 

What is the point of this video? Did our leaders act appropriately or not? Trump is our leader and acted exactly the same as those criticized in this video, so it just comes off as hypocritical. Worse yet is the timeline in this video. The dates referenced in this video were February 2nd. A full 24 days before Trump famously said "[W]hen you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done." This is a similar reaction to those mentioned in the video, except there were no US cases on February 2nd, and there were only 15 cases on February 26th. In the context of this video, Trump seems agree with their takes on things not being a big deal while simultaneously being several weeks behind the reaction of the general populace. Not a great look when you think about it tbh

Trump had already shutdown the China flights to the US.  But these same people called him a racist.  

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4 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Montana.....71 cases zero deaths for 1M residents

ND......52 cases zero deaths for 760K residents.

That's 0.007% of the population in each state.

"Facts over fears".........."Well Beach is really close to Montana so we better shelter in place".  ~ Gov. Burgum

Montana’s number is actually 90 as of this afternoon when Bullock made the announcement. Most cases are in a cluster of one or two counties so I’m guessing his order was made to avoid having a patchwork of local orders and having people go to those cities where most of the cases in MT have been reported (Bozeman, Billings)

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1 minute ago, Nodak78 said:

Trump had already shutdown the China flights to the US.  But these same people called him a racist.  

The same people have already been calling him a racist for years? Not a good battle to pick. Besides. You have your facts backwards. There were still flights from china into the USA up until March 3rd. Only outgoing flights to China were outright banned before February. 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-delta-air/major-us-airlines-cancel-china-flights-as-government-steps-up-warnings-idUSKBN1ZU25I

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-china-coronavirus-airlines-business-effects/

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/coronavirus-china-becomes-increasingly-isolated-as-airlines-pull-out.html

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9 minutes ago, Cratter said:

 

Its not necessarily about the amount of ventilators, but where they are located and who they are currently being used on.  Half those ventilators are for kids too. For adults, this number is 197 per million according to this published medical survey. Going to grand forks, a population of ~60,000 people, that gives grand forks a comparative total of roughly 13 ventilators. I rounded up for you.  These ventilators are still needed for the typical patients. So all it is going to take for our own infrastructure to start struggling is a few severe cases. I posted another article below that is titled "Allocation of Ventilators in a Public Health Disaster", published in 2008, that goes into detail on what medical professionals actually need to deal with on the frontline. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21149215

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/687DAE3F9B11939B5EFD5AB7DA5013B1/S193578930000077Xa.pdf/allocation_of_ventilators_in_a_public_health_disaster.pdf

2 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Don't forget this weekend is when the experts told us we "become Italy"!

 

I personally would not take any advice on a pandemic seriously from some dude on twitter named "EconTalker" who only has a degree in economics, but you do you 

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5 minutes ago, westsidesioux said:

Montana’s number is actually 90 as of this afternoon when Bullock made the announcement. Most cases are in a cluster of one or two counties so I’m guessing his order was made to avoid having a patchwork of local orders and having people go to those cities where most of the cases in MT have been reported (Bozeman, Billings)

My apologies......0.009% of Montana resident infected.....and a death.

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