The Sicatoka Posted April 2 4 hours ago, MafiaMan said: Would you rather I have used coterie or junta? Or maybe klatch? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MafiaMan Posted April 2 11 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Would you rather I have used coterie or junta? Or maybe klatch? I’ve always been partial to ‘junta.’ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Sicatoka Posted April 2 1 minute ago, MafiaMan said: I’ve always been partial to ‘junta.’ Who doesn't love a good junta; but, I've always considered it the South American sounding version of cadre. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MafiaMan Posted April 2 18 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: That's how they roll ... < groan > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smoggy Posted April 3 I've said it before, but with all the parity it's time to give 1 seeds an actual advantage. Let them host. If need be put a minimum attendance for an arena and then the school needs to have a plan in place ahead of time. If a 1 can't host it goes either to that 2 seed or the highest 2 seed. There needs to be a reward for being a top team. Other option is to finally go to 3 game series like baseball does. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wilbur Posted April 3 28 minutes ago, Smoggy said: I've said it before, but with all the parity it's time to give 1 seeds an actual advantage. Let them host. If need be put a minimum attendance for an arena and then the school needs to have a plan in place ahead of time. If a 1 can't host it goes either to that 2 seed or the highest 2 seed. There needs to be a reward for being a top team. Other option is to finally go to 3 game series like baseball does. With the extra off weekend because of basketball I'm all for a 3 game regional 1-16 seeds (top 8 host) the first weekend, then a super regional the next weekend with the top four remaining ranked teams hosting the games. Move the F4 semifinals to Friday, and have the National Championship on a Sunday afternoon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MafiaMan Posted April 3 13 hours ago, Smoggy said: I've said it before, but with all the parity it's time to give 1 seeds an actual advantage. Let them host. If need be put a minimum attendance for an arena and then the school needs to have a plan in place ahead of time. If a 1 can't host it goes either to that 2 seed or the highest 2 seed. I've been saying this since 1998. The reward for being a 1 seed was to go play Michigan in their own arena? Stunning that Michigan won that game (not). The same thing happened a year or two later when DU had a fantastic squad and was "upset" by the Wolverines at Yost. If the top seed in the country is Lake Superior State, well, so be it. #16 can enjoy a flight to Detroit or Milwaukee and a nice bus ride. That's how it should work. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
90siouxfan Posted April 3 I could not agree more, #1 seeds host at home or an adequate size rink of their choosing. Give them the option of deferring to a #2 seed if they don't have the ability to plan for such success. Is the system and NCAA elite mandate? Or can the athletic directors make the change? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iluvdebbies Posted April 3 Not interested in a regional being played on an Olympic sized ice surface. 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeyFan31 Posted April 3 And all the multi-use arenas out there just keep open weekends during college hockey playoffs in case the team that plays home games there ends up hosting in the first round? I don't think so..... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cberkas Posted April 3 Nothing says that Mankato, St. Cloud, or Duluth of college hockey can’t host a regional in Minneapolis. So, if you don’t want to host a regional don’t complain being in a regional that has a host that’s a lower seed. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Siouxperfan7 Posted April 3 Since 2006 when Holy Cross beat Minnesota, a 4 seed has beaten a 1 seed every year. This year there were 2 (almost 3). I think I read somewhere that since the tournament expanded to 16 teams, more 4 seeds have advanced to the Frozen 4 than 2 or 3 seeds combined!! So what does this mean? 4 seeds are given an advantage over 1 seeds in the regionals that they should not deserve to have. Mankato got rewarded for a season of success earning a 1 seed by playing #4 seed Providence in Providence. The past 13 years when a 4 beat a 1, many of those games were played in less than half full arenas with a subdued crowd. Not having to play in a hostile environment is an advantage for the 4 seeds and why they have had success these last 14 years. Solution? As suggested, #1 seeds should host the regionals. They play 30+ games earning that #1 seed throughout the season. No reason they have to go across the country to play in a half full arena or in an arena 20 miles from the 4 seeds campus. Its easy. If you are a school that plays in an arena or has access to a larger arena if your home rink is small, reserve that arena for the weekend of the regionals. If you earn a 1 seed, then bam you get to host. If you are a school and you can't or don't want to reserve a viable venue for a regional, than the #2 seed has a chance to host. Will 4 seeds still win tournament games? Of course. But it will definitely not be as easy. Which is the way it should be. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
90siouxfan Posted April 3 it would be a simple addition to require the regional be on NHL sized ice. Sorry clowns, time to put the 80's behind you. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeyFan31 Posted April 3 26 minutes ago, cberkas said: Nothing says that Mankato, St. Cloud, or Duluth of college hockey can’t host a regional in Minneapolis. So, if you don’t want to host a regional don’t complain being in a regional that has a host that’s a lower seed. Then you'd run into the Providence scenario that Mankato did this year. If any of those schools bid and hosted in Minneapolis, just just know the NC$$ would place the Gophers there (if they qualified, obviously) and then fans would be crying just like they are this year about Providence. Hell, it would even be considered an advantage if UND was placed in a Minneapolis regional in that situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cberkas Posted April 3 13 minutes ago, HockeyFan31 said: Then you'd run into the Providence scenario that Mankato did this year. If any of those schools bid and hosted in Minneapolis, just just know the NC$$ would place the Gophers there (if they qualified, obviously) and then fans would be crying just like they are this year about Providence. Hell, it would even be considered an advantage if UND was placed in a Minneapolis regional in that situation. Providence wasn’t a host and can play anywhere. A 1 seed should beat a 4 seed. To be the best you have to beat the best no matter where the game is played. I don’t see UND making excuses when the are playing a lower seeded team from Minnesota in Minneapolis-St. Paul. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MafiaMan Posted April 3 20 minutes ago, cberkas said: Providence wasn’t a host and can play anywhere. A 1 seed should beat a 4 seed. To be the best you have to beat the best no matter where the game is played. I don’t see UND making excuses when the are playing a lower seeded team from Minnesota in Minneapolis-St. Paul. Don't think for a second that Providence was going anywhere other an Providence, seedings be damned. That's not exactly impartial seeding. The reward for being better than everyone else should not be going on the road for the playoffs. The gap between #1 and #4 seeds has never been closer. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
90siouxfan Posted April 3 No matter where they put UND the fan base helps, of course closer to GF the bigger the help. Is the current schematic entirely a knee jerk reaction to the Holy Cross moment of infamy? I think it is, I think it is not so much about giving a home rink advantage to #1 seeds as it is to keep opposing fan bases from having traction in the outcome, call it the gopher whiny rule.... disclaimer, feeling scrappy, must be the sunlight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Sicatoka Posted April 3 1 hour ago, cberkas said: Nothing says that Mankato, St. Cloud, or Duluth of college hockey can’t host a regional in Minneapolis. Consortiums. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeyFan31 Posted April 3 46 minutes ago, cberkas said: Providence wasn’t a host and can play anywhere. A 1 seed should beat a 4 seed. To be the best you have to beat the best no matter where the game is played. I don’t see UND making excuses when the are playing a lower seeded team from Minnesota in Minneapolis-St. Paul. I understand that. The same could be said of Minnesota in the scenario you laid out. What I'm saying is other fans would complain about a "home game" for Minnesota exactly like they are about Providence this year. I like your idea of having Mankato, Duluth, or St Cloud hosting in Minneapolis, I'm just saying it's likely not without flaw. UND is basically 50/50 with Gophers fans in past regionals I've seen at the X, for example. IMO UND isn't aren't a fair comparison for Minneapolis with the number of alumni that live in and around the Twin Cities. I think UND would be in the same discussion as Minnesota for a potential Minneapolis regional where other fanbases would cry about how unfair it would be to have UND get a "home game" even though they aren't the host. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MafiaMan Posted April 3 3 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Consortiums. The junta will let you know their decision on this by July 1st. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Sicatoka Posted April 3 9 minutes ago, MafiaMan said: The junta will let you know their decision on this by July 1st. That cabal won't decide that fast. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MafiaMan Posted April 3 2 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: That cabal won't decide that fast. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siouxforcefans Posted April 9 Flying out before dawn tomorrow (we always travel Wednesdays for FF's) and hoping to see UMass get their first title with all the former Fargo Force players on their roster. Expect to see a few of you in Buffalo! 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tnt Posted April 9 Having the #1 seed hosting certainly would make for a lot of exciting hockey down the stretch when teams are close to that position. Would certainly make the results for the entire year quite relevant. I guess I don't like the mentality of just finishing top four in our league and just getting in the tournament as a means to winning it all, so a little more incentive to give yourself an advantage would seem appropriate. Of course we would need to move "the process" along a lot faster to achieve that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UNDColorado Posted April 9 56 minutes ago, siouxforcefans said: Flying out before dawn tomorrow (we always travel Wednesdays for FF's) and hoping to see UMass get their first title with all the former Fargo Force players on their roster. Expect to see a few of you in Buffalo! #AnyonebutDenver 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites