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Then grand forks can play more mn teams. Win for everyone. Top a teams gets sent up to aa. Bottom aa team gets sent down to a

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Just now, gfhockey said:

Then grand forks can play more mn teams. Win for everyone. Top a teams gets sent up to aa. Bottom aa team gets sent down to a

Agree with the first part....the moving between divisions is unnecessary.

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On ‎2‎/‎18‎/‎2019 at 12:40 AM, NDSU grad said:

The best is when basketball parents start screaming ‘over the back’, which isn’t even a thing in basketball now. 

I don't believe it ever was.  It hasn't been for at least 40 years.  Some refs used to call "over the back" but I don't know if it was ever in the rule book.

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16 hours ago, cberkas said:

He has land off Washington and 1804 by Horizon Middle School.

So the City decided to remodel the Civic Center instead of taking his offer.  

What does that have to do with St. Mary's new school????

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8 hours ago, Yote 53 said:

Would NDAHA allow full season Midget AAA in Grand Forks/Fargo?  There is already the Team North Dakota B/A program, but they seem to be falling behind the Sioux Falls Power AAA as of late.  It would definitely impact the quality of HS hockey in North Dakota.  One could argue that between USHL, NAHL, and Sioux Falls AAA program that is already happening so might as well provide a full season opportunity closer to home.

Be careful with this.  The quality of the Midwest High School League in Iowa has been destroyed because all of the best players now leave to play for Omaha, Iowa Wild, Sioux Falls, Madison, etc. AAA programs.  In order to have a chance to play meaningful junior, or someday college, hockey players know HS hockey is not a viable option.  It's too bad, really.

You don't want a "full season" opportunity for younger kids.  Medical studies show kids who play only one sport especially without  taking breaks have more injuries and peak at an earlier age. 

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4 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

What does that have to do with St. Mary's new school????

The 48 acres of land on which the new St. Mary's is being built was donated by Knutson.  I believe it is the same land offered for the potential event center project.

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Having the Bismarck Events Center downtown is absolutely ideal. Perfect location for all events, which is why most pro teams have their stadiums downtown, if at all possible.

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4 hours ago, UND1983 said:

Ron was going to pay for the brand new Civic Center with a hockey sheet in it?  

No, to build a newer additional facility on land on north end

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19 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Having the Bismarck Events Center downtown is absolutely ideal. Perfect location for all events, which is why most pro teams have their stadiums downtown, if at all possible.

yes, however you clearly are lacking understanding a major premise here.

Bismarck did not need to take a One OR the other approach to this as they did.

Both facilities would have far more benefited the city for a much longer period intonthe future.

Bismarck has no and never will have a proffessional team.

Past failures include the Wizards and soon to be defunct Bucks. Bobcats work kinda work at the VFW, Larks work at Municipal.

The civic center was and is fine for conventions, a new north facility would have complimented and enhanced, not subtracted.

As relates to HIGH SCHOOL HOCKEY.

the Bismarck corruption connection forced the civic center expansion after MULTIPLE city wide votes resoundly trounced it,... claimed expansion could host hockey tournaments.

It can't.

Also floated rumors bobcats would move to the civc.

Also false.

They then tried to use a new central ice arena concept included in the 5south fiasco to appease some concerns, touting major intra city games be played there.

Also false

As it sits bismarck ice interests was forced to scamble for ANY ice options available which resulted in one sheet added or nothing.

Bismarck MUST have at least 2 more sheets now to accomodate the pushed additional boys program and girls program not to mention the possibility of jr gold teams or BAA teams to best serve the youth.

So all this did have an effect on ND high school hockey......

which still needs 2 divisions.

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6 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:

yes, however you clearly are lacking understanding a major premise here.

Bismarck did not need to take a One OR the other approach to this as they did.

Both facilities would have far more benefited the city for a much longer period intonthe future.

Bismarck has no and never will have a proffessional team.

Past failures include the Wizards and soon to be defunct Bucks. Bobcats work kinda work at the VFW, Larks work at Municipal.

The civic center was and is fine for conventions, a new north facility would have complimented and enhanced, not subtracted.

As relates to HIGH SCHOOL HOCKEY.

the Bismarck corruption connection forced the civic center expansion after MULTIPLE city wide votes resoundly trounced it,... claimed expansion could host hockey tournaments.

It can't.

Also floated rumors bobcats would move to the civc.

Also false.

They then tried to use a new central ice arena concept included in the 5south fiasco to appease some concerns, touting major intra city games be played there.

Also false

As it sits bismarck ice interests was forced to scamble for ANY ice options available which resulted in one sheet added or nothing.

Bismarck MUST have at least 2 more sheets now to accomodate the pushed additional boys program and girls program not to mention the possibility of jr gold teams or BAA teams to best serve the youth.

So all this did have an effect on ND high school hockey......

which still needs 2 divisions.

Any concrete plans/proposal (even just ideas) for a new ice facility? 

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53 minutes ago, Walsh Hall said:

The 48 acres of land on which the new St. Mary's is being built was donated by Knutson.  I believe it is the same land offered for the potential event center project.

Got it. 

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10 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:

yes, however you clearly are lacking understanding a major premise here.

Bismarck did not need to take a One OR the other approach to this as they did.

Both facilities would have far more benefited the city for a much longer period intonthe future.

Bismarck has no and never will have a proffessional team.

Past failures include the Wizards and soon to be defunct Bucks. Bobcats work kinda work at the VFW, Larks work at Municipal.

The civic center was and is fine for conventions, a new north facility would have complimented and enhanced, not subtracted.

As relates to HIGH SCHOOL HOCKEY.

the Bismarck corruption connection forced the civic center expansion after MULTIPLE city wide votes resoundly trounced it,... claimed expansion could host hockey tournaments.

It can't.

Also floated rumors bobcats would move to the civc.

Also false.

They then tried to use a new central ice arena concept included in the 5south fiasco to appease some concerns, touting major intra city games be played there.

Also false

As it sits bismarck ice interests was forced to scamble for ANY ice options available which resulted in one sheet added or nothing.

Bismarck MUST have at least 2 more sheets now to accomodate the pushed additional boys program and girls program not to mention the possibility of jr gold teams or BAA teams to best serve the youth.

So all this did have an effect on ND high school hockey......

which still needs 2 divisions.

You wanted the City of Bismarck to have TWO major facilities for events on their payroll - as in keep the Civic Center also?  You are seeing this through a hockey lens, which obviously nobody in Bismarck gives a damn about.  

FYI, the Wizards were a big success for a long time but got moved because Golden State wanted them closer to home base for call ups.  had nothing to do with the organization.  

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6 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

You wanted the City of Bismarck to have TWO major facilities for events on their payroll - as in keep the Civic Center also?  You are seeing this through a hockey lens, which obviously nobody in Bismarck gives a damn about.  

FYI, the Wizards were a big success for a long time but got moved because Golden State wanted them closer to home base for call ups.  had nothing to do with the organization.  

An new arena on the north end off of 83 would be easier to get to then the Civic Center ever was. 

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Just now, cberkas said:

An new arena on the north end off of 83 would be easier to get to then the Civic center ever was. 

You have a hard time getting to the Civic Center...lol?  Geez Ron, I know you were pissed the City didn't provide you with the anchor for your development but cmon.  Isn't Sanford's new hospital good enough?

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17 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:

yes, however you clearly are lacking understanding a major premise here.

Bismarck did not need to take a One OR the other approach to this as they did.

Both facilities would have far more benefited the city for a much longer period intonthe future.

Bismarck has no and never will have a proffessional team.

Past failures include the Wizards and soon to be defunct Bucks. Bobcats work kinda work at the VFW, Larks work at Municipal.

The civic center was and is fine for conventions, a new north facility would have complimented and enhanced, not subtracted.

As relates to HIGH SCHOOL HOCKEY.

the Bismarck corruption connection forced the civic center expansion after MULTIPLE city wide votes resoundly trounced it,... claimed expansion could host hockey tournaments.

It can't.

Also floated rumors bobcats would move to the civc.

Also false.

They then tried to use a new central ice arena concept included in the 5south fiasco to appease some concerns, touting major intra city games be played there.

Also false

As it sits bismarck ice interests was forced to scamble for ANY ice options available which resulted in one sheet added or nothing.

Bismarck MUST have at least 2 more sheets now to accomodate the pushed additional boys program and girls program not to mention the possibility of jr gold teams or BAA teams to best serve the youth.

So all this did have an effect on ND high school hockey......

which still needs 2 divisions.

The Civic Center is the worst for hockey, the reason the Bobcats moved to VFW.

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Opened in 1969.

Bismarck does need a new events center.

Eventually you have to stop putting money into that beater car and drive it to the junkyard.

Your childrens children thank you.

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30 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

I know this is blasphemy, but in hockey why don't ND and SD do a combined AA and A two-state system. 

Most of SD would be A but a couple teams might be AA worthy

And I'm saying this for both boys and girls hockey. 

Travel would be horrendous. Rapid City to GF would be 10 hour bus ride.  Granted I know that trip wouldn’t be made often but I think the thought of it alone would scare people aware from the idea. 

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I fully admit some of the rides would be hellish; however, that Willston to West Fargo trip is a joy today already. 

What says there couldn't be league games at neutral sites? 

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1 minute ago, Frozen4sioux said:

The travel would derail the growth of smaller schools hockey.

Won't lack of competition (teams to play) do the same? 

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5 hours ago, iluvdebbies said:

Makes plenty of sense right now. 19 teams.....AA Would be the 5 Fargo teams, 2 Grand Forks teams, 2  from Bismarck and Minot.

A....would have 9 to start with.  I think more would want in after the two class system was established.

I would love for this to happen, and I agree that more Jr. Gold teams would finally switch over to HS hockey if it did happen. That Jr. Gold league has been broken for a while now. Plus maybe even Whap would come back?

Unfortunately I think there are still quite a few kinks in the plan that makes it more complicated than it seems. But I also see a lot of positives to it as well!

-If the Jr. Gold league did fold due to the 2 tier HS league, then GF and Fargo would lose their teams and a lot of kids would miss out on being able to play hockey after 9th grade. Although, Fargo Shanley+OG and South might be able to split back up eventually due to the higher numbers.

-In 1A the travel distances would get pretty extensive, especially if some of the Jr. Gold teams did join. 2A travel would actually get better, outside of extra trips to MNPLS to play possibly

- I see a lot of AA teams and A teams ending up scheduling each other a lot anyway. But with this new setup, the more elite teams could have the freedom to schedule more out of state games. Keeping the league game number low would keep the freedom of scheduling high. 

-Would the A/AA split be by enrollment or skill level or? Teams like Mandan, Dickinson, Williston, WFS, and Jamestown+VC will fit the bill for AA but will fit in much better competitively in A. Same goes for some of the weaker Fargo/WF teams that seem to rotate. Then teams like Grafton and Devils Lake will often fit in much better AA but will have enrollment numbers for A. This is a common problem everywhere for every sport, but it's just something to think about.

- Any time there is a top tier player from any of the A teams, they're surely going to transfer to a AA school or even out of state while they're at it. Which would really hurt the morale and tradition at some of these schools bound to be put in the A pool. If 1A has an enrollment maximum and AA has no minimum, then quite a few schools are going to push to be AA. Who would want to drive their program downward by losing their best players to AA schools and by having to play less competitive teams? MN has the luxury of having enough schools in each league to help minimize some of this, but in ND it would end up being a pretty big swing between the 2 leagues eventually. In MN both A and AA teams are able to hold onto players and traditions just because of the sheer numbers in each level...ND would not have that luxury, and would eventually be turning 1A into a JV league essentially. 

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