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3 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

OK anything FRY?

I was driving on campus today about 2:30 and this car turns wrong into a one way, then backs up to my front bumper. You can see the front of my vehicle in the bumper.

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That is heavy, maybe a sign or something 

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As I look forward to this weekend against Idaho State, I figured that since we were all using Sam Houston as a measuring stick of where this team was, I would go back and do a little analysis of the prior game against Washington. As that was only the second game of the season, there wasn’t much information to know where we stacked up, how good Washington was, and how we fared (aside from the obvious fact that we lost). This interpretation will evolve as the year goes on depending on how UND plays and how Washington plays, but there were some stats that stood out to me.

As has been noted previously UND did compete through the majority of the game. For the sake of this discussion, let’s throw out the 4th quarter. How did we stack up against Washington (prior to our defense getting gassed) and their other competition thus far? Not too bad … though the obvious struggle was that we simply could not score. If you sustain at least of few of those drives you take a lot of pressure off of the D and give them some rest. Tough enough to ask our FCS corners (who were already bouncing back from injury) to keep up with top end FBS receivers, but by the 4th quarter this was just not going to happen. Especially when you start to look at the depth of their receivers vs our corners. Q Pounds went from 1 catch for 13 against Auburn to 3 catches for 96 against UND to not on the stat sheet against Utah. Overall, this reiterates that our defense has looked far better than last year, closer to 2016 (except for the absurd TO margin in 2016), but we continue to have the same problem of not generating enough offense to give our defense a rest and play at a high level for a full 4 quarters. I think UND did a far better job of this against Sam Houston (shout out to Evan Holm in the 4th), and I would expect to see a continued improvement in this area throughout the year, as we are not playing against Washington caliber teams week in and week out.

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A few other areas I wanted to look at were how we kept up with their top players (Browning/Gaskin) compared to Auburn and Utah:

Utah seemed to limit Browning’s passing yards, while he still passed for around 300 against Auburn (similar to UND), the caveat being that by the end of the UND game we also saw Jake Haener play a few series. Overall, as has been noted, our secondary simply could not keep up with their receivers, not in skill and certainly not in depth. We had flashes, but the difference became more and more apparent as the game went on, and players got tired. The positive is our boys had to play against top tier talent and stuck with it for 3 solid quarters (took two INTs from Browning), I think we already saw some payoff from this against Sam Houston (a la Evan Holm), and I expect to see these guys continue to trend the right way.

Then there is Myles Gaskin, who I am sure, along with Washington’s fans, figured he would have a field day against a little FCS team who couldn’t stop the run last year. We limited Gaskin to 53yds on 15 attempts (and a TD), this is a week after going 17 for 75yds against Auburn, and a week before going 30 for 143yds (and a TD) against Utah. Huge pat on the back to UND for turning around that run defense from last year. Amazing what can happen when all of your starters are playing and not injured. Now I don’t want to totally skew what the status show, because Washington did still rush for 195 as a group, but our ability to stop Gaskin, forced Washington to go to other guys. Some of those yards also came in the 4th quarter, which as has been stated was a disaster; defense was toast and just could not keep up any more.

And how about that John Santiago guy? Auburn as a team rushed for 147 against Washington …. Utah as a team rushed for 123 against Washington …. John Santiago (Yes, just John) rushed for 139 against Washington (and UND as a whole rushed for 161 against Washington). This speaks volumes to our RBs and the relentless effort of Santiago. It will be interesting to see at the end of the season, where UND's  rushing performance is compared to the other teams on Washington's schedule. I think it also shows just how well our O-Line has play (compared to the expectations). There we so many questions surrounding the O-Line prior to the season, and no we do not have all the answers, but it has been better than expected.

Anyway, these stats should all be taken with a grain of salt. Stats can be viewed several different ways, and everything is certainly situations and not always directly comparable; but I wanted to share my observations.

Feel free to drop your thoughts, just figured I would do a little analysis and generate some chatter leading up to the game on Saturday!

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-Auburn as a whole rushed for 147 against Washington

-John Santiago by himself rushed for 139 against Washington (UND went for 161)

-Utah as a whole rushed for 123 against Washington

 

 

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On 9/19/2018 at 11:25 AM, zonadub said:

This ^^^^^

 

Bubba seems like he is "North Dakota nice" and doesn't want to win by too big of a margin. Doubt you will ever see him do a Steigelmeier, even against a totally outmatched team.

I think this may be partially true, but not completely. Bubba certainly doesn't give off the killer instinct himself, but I think the lack of putting teams away is usually more due to the lack of talent to be able to do it, along with situational play calling. He has certainly had some games where putting teams away has not been a problem, it just isn't consistent, and I don't think we are always capable of doing it.

2015: UND over N. Colorado 45-14; UND over Team Joe Protheroe 45-21

2016: UND over Sac St. 40-7; UND over S Utah 45-23

2017: UND over Misery St. 34 - 0; UND over Portland St. 48-21

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1 hour ago, siouxfan512 said:

I think this may be partially true, but not completely. Bubba certainly doesn't give off the killer instinct himself, but I think the lack of putting teams away is usually more due to the lack of talent to be able to do it, along with situational play calling. He has certainly had some games where putting teams away has not been a problem, it just isn't consistent, and I don't think we are always capable of doing it.

2015: UND over N. Colorado 45-14; UND over Team Joe Protheroe 45-21

2016: UND over Sac St. 40-7; UND over S Utah 45-23

2017: UND over Misery St. 34 - 0; UND over Portland St. 48-21

Team Joe Protheroe!  LOVE IT!

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1 hour ago, siouxfan512 said:

I think this may be partially true, but not completely. Bubba certainly doesn't give off the killer instinct himself, but I think the lack of putting teams away is usually more due to the lack of talent to be able to do it, along with situational play calling. He has certainly had some games where putting teams away has not been a problem, it just isn't consistent, and I don't think we are always capable of doing it.

2015: UND over N. Colorado 45-14; UND over Team Joe Protheroe 45-21

2016: UND over Sac St. 40-7; UND over S Utah 45-23

2017: UND over Misery St. 34 - 0; UND over Portland St. 48-21

 

10 minutes ago, ChrisUND1 said:

Team Joe Protheroe!  LOVE IT!

Protheroe vrs. Will Ratelle 2015.  We all know who won that battle......it's a good thing the rest of the team picked up the slack for Will!!  :lol:

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2 hours ago, siouxfan512 said:

I think this may be partially true, but not completely. Bubba certainly doesn't give off the killer instinct himself, but I think the lack of putting teams away is usually more due to the lack of talent to be able to do it, along with situational play calling. He has certainly had some games where putting teams away has not been a problem, it just isn't consistent, and I don't think we are always capable of doing it.

 

People probably thought about Tony Dungy........who ended up winning a Super Bowl.  You don't have to yell and scream etc. at your players to be a good and successful coach.  

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7 minutes ago, Sioux94 said:

People probably thought about Tony Dungy........who ended up winning a Super Bowl.  You don't have to yell and scream etc. at your players to be a good and successful coach.  

Never said anything about Bubba not being a good coach. I just said he doesn't present himself with that killer instinct. When I heard Mike Houston talk in a post game interview, back when he coached The Citadel, after they beat South Carolina to finish the regular season in 2015, I thought he oozed killer instinct. Just a different type of personality and coaching style.

Like you said its not all yelling and screaming. That's all Bo Pelini does and he doesn't have killer instinct, he's just a JackA$$

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On 9/19/2018 at 5:48 PM, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

OK anything FRY?

I was driving on campus today about 2:30 and this car turns wrong into a one way, then backs up to my front bumper. You can see the front of my vehicle in the bumper.

 

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Idaho, their trying to infiltrate earlier than last time and trying to intimidate the fan base to boot. 

Should of expected this from a State who’s official flower is the potato 

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46 minutes ago, forksandspoons said:

Is it tomorrow yet? 

NO. I can’t take it anymore so I’m heading to Forks now. Not sure what I’ll do?

Maybe hang out at Culver’s and eat frozen custard. 

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3 minutes ago, Fry Bread said:

NO. I can’t take it anymore so I’m heading to Forks now. Not sure what I’ll do?

Maybe hang out at Culver’s and eat frozen custard. 

You could always head to The Bun for one 

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36 minutes ago, Fry Bread said:

NO. I can’t take it anymore so I’m heading to Forks now. Not sure what I’ll do?

Maybe hang out at Culver’s and eat frozen custard. 

Fan luncheon,  11:30 at the Al

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1 hour ago, UNDBIZ said:

https://undfootball360.com/news/und-homecoming-and-hall-of-fame-induction/

The guys over at 360 think more highly of ISU than many here.  Seems ISU has a defense and their offense thrives on the quick, short passes that often tear UND apart.

I expect them to be good. We need to play lights out to get the result this board is looking for.

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33 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

I expect them to be good. We need to play lights out to get the result this board is looking for.

In other words, UND football will once again be UND football ...

Damn, was finally hoping to see something new and improved from “Bubba Ball” 

We’ll see who’s actually right tomorrow: the cautionaries or the revolutionists? 

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42 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

I expect them to be good. We need to play lights out to get the result this board is looking for.

So who do you say wins and by how much? I predicted we win by 14.  

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11 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

In other words, UND football will once again be UND football ...

Damn, was finally hoping to see something new and improved from “Bubba Ball” 

We’ll see who’s actually right tomorrow: the cautionaries or the revolutionists? 

Thanks for the knowledge.

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On 9/20/2018 at 12:33 PM, siouxfan512 said:

Bubba certainly doesn't give off the killer instinct ... 

I think Bubba wants to win without showing up his opposing coaching staff unnecessarily. Call it old school gentleman's play. What that can lead to is what looks like letting up or giving opportunities unnecessarily because the other side will not quite.

Alternatively, in today's world that doesn't always get the beauty-points of the pollsters. If you beat a team by 28 and the pollsters think it should've been 42 you are punished. 

I guess I'd tell Bubba it's OK to keep the dogs on the attack as long as the other team has their first-teamers out there. 

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