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27 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2016/11/22/side-effects-emergency-room/

Pharmaceutical side effects are getting to be almost a majority of ER visits now.  In favor of genetic medicines to correct those issues, but diabetes, cardio, kidney, and hypertension can have natural based curses that most MDs reject because they don’t want to be sued because the patient won’t follow a strict routine.

My evidence is life experience.  Many doctors reject Jesus too because there isn’t enough evidence.

The study you refer to was published by the AMA journal which you claim is beholding to the pharmaceutical industry. If your claim is true why would they publish the article?  The study is valid but your claim of a “huge fraction” of ER visits are due to adverse drug events is proven inaccurate by your own reference. 9.7 per thousand visits for those over 65 and 3.1 per thousand visits are both less than 1% not a huge fraction as you claim nor is less than 1% a majority of visits. Do you even know how to read or understand a scientific study?  I assume you mean generic medication instead of “genetic “ which is the term you use. Our computer programs defer to generic medication automatically. One must manually override to write for a brand name medication. Your “natural based curses” you refer to make no sense. I assume you meant cures but you never tell us what they are. Scientists and Medical providers have a moral and ethical obligation to share all scientific and medical breakthroughs especially if they are safer, more effective, less expensive etc. Unfortunately, these “practitioners “ seem to want to keep their secrets to themselves.  Ask these folks what the mark-up is on their unproven products. It’s significant. The pharmaceutical industry has nothing on these folks. I have worked or studied in hospitals around the country and in the military and other countries.  I have very seldom met a physician who doesn’t believe in God. Your “life experience” seems to be a bit lacking. Your arguments are shallow and flawed. Making medical and scientific claims without evidence only hurts the naturopathic movement. 

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49 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

The study you refer to was published by the AMA journal which you claim is beholding to the pharmaceutical industry. If your claim is true why would they publish the article?  The study is valid but your claim of a “huge fraction” of ER visits are due to adverse drug events is proven inaccurate by your own reference. 9.7 per thousand visits for those over 65 and 3.1 per thousand visits are both less than 1% not a huge fraction as you claim nor is less than 1% a majority of visits. Do you even know how to read or understand a scientific study?  I assume you mean generic medication instead of “genetic “ which is the term you use. Our computer programs defer to generic medication automatically. One must manually override to write for a brand name medication. Your “natural based curses” you refer to make no sense. I assume you meant cures but you never tell us what they are. Scientists and Medical providers have a moral and ethical obligation to share all scientific and medical breakthroughs especially if they are safer, more effective, less expensive etc. Unfortunately, these “practitioners “ seem to want to keep their secrets to themselves.  Ask these folks what the mark-up is on their unproven products. It’s significant. The pharmaceutical industry has nothing on these folks. I have worked or studied in hospitals around the country and in the military and other countries.  I have very seldom met a physician who doesn’t believe in God. Your “life experience” seems to be a bit lacking. Your arguments are shallow and flawed. Making medical and scientific claims without evidence only hurts the naturopathic movement. 

The study referenced 60% of older citizens that go the the emergency room go because of pharmaceuticals.  The % you used is just the % of the general population regardless if they go the the ER, as manipulated by the AMA.

Genetic medicines is what is was I  referring too, as there has been a huge increase in biotech knowledge and manufacturing ability.

MDs are not healing gods, much as you disagree.  Most MDs just want a “stable” patient, not a healed one.

Muscle response testing is what I use, which uses the bodies own nervous systems, and that can tell if a pharmaceutical or even artificial food has a dangerous effect or an herb or other foods having a beneficial one.  But I wouldn’t  bet on you actually investigating it because chiropractors are so beneath your dignity.

 

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1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said:

Just for our resident doctor, here is another study that says side effects of pharmaceuticals result in million of ER visits every year.

https://www.premierphysiciannet.com/About-Us/News-Center/Press-Releases/Millions-of-Americans-Experience-Side-Effects-from-Medication/

I don’t think anyone disputes millions of people experience side effects from medications every year. My colleagues and patients who are Chiropractors would disagree with your generalization. I refer to chiropractors regularly and we consult with each other regularly.  They have an area of expertise that can benefit my patients including acupuncture. We work together and can walk down the next hall to consult each other. Your claims about how I feel and think are as inaccurate as your muscle testing voodoo. I don’t know of any good chiropractors trying to convince unsuspecting patients of the goofy stuff you are doing. In my residency we had an annual update from one of the staff who had taught in one of the chiropractic programs. He kept us up to date on changes and advances in chiropractic practice and warned us to stay away from people like you. He felt your bs was fraud. I don’t work with Drs who think they are God’s nor any who don’t want to help their patients get well. Your anti traditional medicine rhetoric is nothing new and usually comes from those who can’t build up a busy practice providing traditional chiropractic care. They are often “anti Vaxers” and usually sell their supplements, mega vitamins, and herbs out of their own office at a premium price. We offer biogenetic testing to all of our patients for $49 and we adjust our recommendations and treatments based on their genetics. Having a patient hold their arms out and thinking one can diagnose what’s in the blood stream based on response to varying amounts of pressure has no factual basis nor evidence to support it. I could do the same video with any of my patients and get the same thing without “adjusting “ the knee. I don’t care what you do as long as you do no harm. If people want to pay you for that more power to you. We have derailed this subject to long, thanks for the entertainment.  

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23 minutes ago, northernraider said:

Well this topic went in an unexpected direction.

Yeah it did, sorry. I couldn’t let some of it go unchallenged. I’m done. 

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7 hours ago, iramurphy said:

Yeah it did, sorry. I couldn’t let some of it go unchallenged. I’m done. 

Should we discuss a single payer system since we are at it??

Asking for a friend named Bernie...........

On 6/28/2019 at 9:11 PM, SiouxVolley said:

Sanford Health is merging with a slightly smaller Iowa based healthcare company:  UnityPoint Health.

https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2019/06/28/sanford-health-announces-massive-merger-plan-unitypoint-health-iowa-south-dakota/1588506001/

Sanford had a goal to buy Twin Cities hospitals, but that apparently feel through.

.......and the HealthParnters and Allina systems in the Cities make Trinity in Minot look like Johns Hopkins if we want to revisit this topic as well.

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On 6/30/2019 at 10:27 AM, Nodak78 said:
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Sanford Health and one of its most lucrative surgeons have been accused of defrauding the federal government out of millions of dollars while also harming patients in a stunning complaint filed in federal court.....

The filing says that Sanford’s executive leadership, including President and CEO Kelby Krabbenhoft, and doctors who were supposed to ensure patient safety, ignored repeated warnings and complaints that Asfora was performing unnecessary surgeries.

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On 7/1/2019 at 11:16 AM, UNDBIZ said:

 

This was rather disturbing, but then I learned “the rest of the story “.  Apparently the “complaint” is years old. It was investigated internally and by the state board of medical examiners and found to be without merit.  I don’t know anything else about the issue other than these cases can drag on for years. Media recently jumped on this. They should have included it had already been reviewed by the SDak board of medical examiners and found to be without merit. 

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