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So he should have axed the name all by himself in his first couple years? Ignoring all parties that wanted to put in their two cents...

The settlement agreement was signed in October 2007.

Dr. Kelley became president of UND on July 1, 2008.

The name was gone before he got here.

He's had six and a half years to take us beyond the agreement and all we have to show from his (alleged) leadership is committees (and bills from the committees).

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The settlement agreement was signed in October 2007.

Dr. Kelley became president of UND on July 1, 2008.

The name was gone before he got here.

He's had six and a half years to take us beyond the agreement and all we have to show from his (alleged) leadership is committees (and bills from the committees).

The tribes didnt hold anything up, huh? How about legislature votes? He just had free reign to choose as he pleased. Gotcha.
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The handwriting was on the wall in 2007. Standing Rock (council) wasn't going to change.

If Kelley had been leading from the front would some of these other folks (looking at Al Carlson) felt the need to drag things out?

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In the mind of President Kelley, the nickname issue is/was nothing more than a nuisance. Kelley does not want to be preoccupied with university athletic issues; he has very little interest in university athletics and his mindset has impeded the potential progress of UND athletics.

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One of the first committees* Kelley formed (way back when, say circa 2009) had both Leigh Jeanotte and Ed Schafer on it. Talk about the "Odd Couple" of ND politics.

Where is gets truly odd is that Schafer and Jeanotte agreed in that meeting: Neither could believe they weren't there to pick a new name and start the process to move forward, away from this bleeding, sucking chest wound. Now, each had reasons to want to pick a new name (Jeanotte: to finally "win"; Schafer: to keep what we're wallowing in now from happening); but, each agreed it was time to pick and move. At the time you'd have had a prominent UND alumnus and former governor and a lead of the "antis" both working to a common end.

The guy who was paralyzed at the thought of making a decision, defending it, and leading? Dr. Robert O. Kelley.

When you're president of a major university, one of just 47 with both a medical and a law school, you're paid to make decisions and take the heat for them. You're not there to orchestrate committee memberships.

*It's tough to remember them all and keep them all straight.

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There are some here who should someday run for Governor (not me I was already temporarily insane back in my 30s - thank God I lost) but I'd be willing to help & be a campaign & debate manager.

It's time for folks to stand up for what is unquestionabley right on so many things even bigger than this

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Don't forget the vote ---- don't u have campaigns before a vote ...oh wait we have been doing that for years now - but he will wrap it up now in a couple months & all should be happy & follow along - because educated idiots & commitees say so

Someone post the popcorn gif now

I'm on it!
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When you're president of a major university, one of just 47 with both a medical and a law school, you're paid to make decisions and take the heat for them. You're not there to orchestrate committee memberships.

 

 

That seems awfully low, Sic.  Must be a bunch of states with none, because many have two, and Cal alone has 5 or 6.

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That seems awfully low, Sic.  Must be a bunch of states with none, because many have two, and Cal alone has 5 or 6.

The Big Sky has one (UND).

The Big 12 has maybe five: Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Baylor, and WVU.

Most of FBS doesn't have a med school, and many don't have law.

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It's time for folks to stand up for what is unquestionabley right on so many things even bigger than this

The first mistake perpetrated by/on the people of North Dakota was that they did not process this as a BIG deal. It was and is a very very big deal. The mentality that must be present in order to aqueous to such atrocities becomes inveterated.

It is indubitably a disconcerting sign of our time on so many levels that this identity rape was allowed.

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Update in the Herald says students weren't kicked out. It said they followed the sign to the security office to dispute the sign but were free to leave afterwards.

That's important information - thank you for posting it. Regardless of its content, the sign certainly appeared to violate several conditions.

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Regardless of wether you agree with the sign or not they shouldn't have been booted. I don't think REA allows any type of signs that size but all that needed to be done is take the sign away. Maybe the students have different rules about this? Who knows. As far as Firing our president I agree. He's shown a real lack of leadership with his faculty and as far as I can see he's done nothing but stand back and watch things happen until he's forced to take action. Then when he does do something he runs and hides from the media. A man in his position needs to get out in front of things and deal with problems before they boil. He's a total reactionary. Nice guy but wrong guy for the job.

Also, when something happens (a firing for example), he is out of town someplace.  Then he comes back to Grand Forks and says "Yep, the buck stops here, it's on me, blah, blah, blah!" :silly:  He spends half of his time keeping his fingernails clean and his hands off of important decisions and the other half telling the media "No comment" or hiding behind Peter Johnson in Media Relations.  He can't leave soon enough.

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Also, when something happens (a firing for example), he is out of town someplace. Then he comes back to Grand Forks and says "Yep, the buck stops here, it's on me, blah, blah, blah!" :silly: He spends half of his time keeping his fingernails clean and his hands off of important decisions and the other half telling the media "No comment" or hiding behind Peter Johnson in Media Relations. He can't leave soon enough.

Exactly, for me it doesn't have much to do about his lack of support for the nickname. It's just his lack of leadership and pickaboo way he deals with situations. I can't think of one time where he got up in front of a crowd/news conference or whatever where he knows he's going to be challenged. I'm just not impressed and I've seen enough. I rarely call for anyone to be fired (not even Muss) but this ones a obvious one.
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Update in the Herald says students weren't kicked out.  It said they followed the sign to the security office to dispute the sign but were free to leave afterwards. 

Wait a minute. You don't really want to confuse folks with facts do you?

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When you're president of a major university, one of just 47 with both a medical and a law school, you're paid to make decisions and take the heat for them. You're not there to orchestrate committee memberships.

That seems awfully low, Sic. Must be a bunch of states with none, because many have two, and Cal alone has 5 or 6.

OK. You got me. I should've said "47 public with both a medical and a law school". ;)

Here's the list/link: http://und.edu/discover/about-und.cfm

Or, if you want to try your hand at guessing them:

http://www.sporcle.com/games/jonesjeffum/medlawunis

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The first mistake perpetrated by/on the people of North Dakota was that they did not process this as a BIG deal. It was and is a very very big deal. The mentality that must be present in order to aqueous to such atrocities becomes inveterated.

It is indubitably a disconcerting sign of our time on so many levels that this identity rape was allowed.

gfhockey, is that you writing this?  ;-)

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Exactly, for me it doesn't have much to do about his lack of support for the nickname. It's just his lack of leadership and pickaboo way he deals with situations. I can't think of one time where he got up in front of a crowd/news conference or whatever where he knows he's going to be challenged. I'm just not impressed and I've seen enough. I rarely call for anyone to be fired (not even Muss) but this ones a obvious one.

How the heck did this guy end up at UND? 

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I figured it was an important point to clarify. I was originally upset thinking they were kicked out too.

And Austin claims he was kicked out. Also I've also heard from a reliable source that one of the students was kicked out. Why the conflicting story?

This happened close to the end of the third. By the time the students were escorted to the office where the supposed meeting took place and the students were told they were free to go, Id be willing to bet the game was about over anyway.

I'm also curious why it was assumed a sign that simply states "fire kelly" is considered political in nature. The only rule I see this breaking is by obstructing other fans' view of the game. If you look at the uncropped photo that was taken there is a student holding a fighting Sioux banner over his head in the lower bowl. Was his sign taken or was he pulled into an office?

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And Austin claims he was kicked out. Also I've also heard from a reliable source that one of the students was kicked out. Why the conflicting story?

This happened close to the end of the third. By the time the students were escorted to the office where the supposed meeting took place and the students were told they were free to go, Id be willing to bet the game was about over anyway.

I'm also curious why it was assumed a sign that simply states "fire kelly" is considered political in nature. The only rule I see this breaking is by obstructing other fans' view of the game. If you look at the uncropped photo that was taken there is a student holding a fighting Sioux banner over his head in the lower bowl. Was his sign taken or was he pulled into an office?

Ironic, because political speech is afforded more first amendment protection than non political speech in the school setting.  Obviously, this is not the school room and there are other limitations on signage, etc. 

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