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4 minutes ago, homer said:
You will rip on any coach UND gets though. You viewed Danny as a D2 coach during this season and now it’s suddenly a terrible thing he is leaving. Pretty funny actually.
There are hundreds of coaches that I would be pleased with as they would be an upgrade; remains to be seen if that will happen.
And you better “prove it” or pull a quote where I said “Danny is a D2 coach” because I never typed that, said that, or believed that. Now you’re just talking pure bullsh*t.
I’ve said it before and will say it again: UND lost the only guy on staff that could possibly do better than the current head coach. Now, they’ll have to go outside the staff when Bubba is hopefully fired or forced out to retirement (which may in fact be the reason Danny Freund left to begin with).
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49 minutes ago, homer said:
Again, a coach that can see some really good offensive talent and is confident enough he can average 30+ pts per game like Danny did.
On this board I have seen anywhere from 4-9 wins predicted for next year, mostly because of questions on defense. If a coach comes in, the team wins 9 and Bubba pulls a Saban and hangs it up someone has positioned themself pretty well.
If we are going to play the movement for Danny is a good thing, there is another coach out there looking for the same opportunity.
Umm … to pull a Saban you have to have first formed a perennial powerhouse and won numerous championships … Bubba is nearly the polar opposite. So no “pulling a Saban” happening anytime soon. UND ain’t going to attract anyone external worthwhile at OC. 2024 is lost. 2025 can be saved though with termination and then subsequent thoughtful external hiring.
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1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:
Circa 2013.
Which is going to happen again. History repeats itself. It’s quite cyclical in fact. We willing to try break the cycle?
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1 hour ago, Sioux_FF said:
Are you basing this on your personal experience as a college football player? Or is it based more on your varied experience as a college football coach? Or, both?
I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express once … so yes … all of the above.
I bet you think you’ve canceled me in excellent left-wing fashion; good job, you should be so proud.
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2 hours ago, gundy1124 said:
I've known Luke since the 1st day he stepped on campus and we still talk. He's surely qualified, but I don't see a way UND can lure him.
I don’t see how UND can lure anyone outside program now … unless that person is clueless, in which case 2024 will be a disaster anyways.
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2 hours ago, ND-fan said:
I have gut feeling Chaves comes in next week or two and extends Bubba’s contract a year based on this past year. The under lying reason is to bring outside OC giving that person that will be some continuity in the program. This would guarantee at least two or three year commitment. Second if he doesn’t we loose players and have terrible season go backwards loss in revenues and having back to back seasons limbo could destroy the program even worse then 2013 year and then to get somebody to take over the program may set the program back even further. I believe Chaves wants continuity and having program maintains upper quality level with ability to get to championship level and within long-term goal of staying in budget. I wonder what will be reaction from people on this board if this happens.
It wouldn’t be good. UND isn’t going to be good in 2024.
Extending Bubba only ensures UND football isn’t good for more seasons beyond that.
But I get your reasoning, and it easily could happen, which is frightening.
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4 hours ago, gfhockey said:
Betty’s paid off in 2023. Where’s that cash savings going now
Hockey, probably …
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4 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:The most honest take I've seen, from UNDFootball360:
Danny made a strategic move for Danny. I don't blame him. He's responding to circumstance around him.
Danny cannot be blamed with this at all. He absolutely made the right move given the circumstances. This fiasco is a result of horrific decisions made (or not made) by Bubba Schweigert, Bill Chaves, and the entire UND athletics administration. With that said, their hands are somewhat tied, unfortunately, given the highly controversial agreement with REA, Inc., Engelstads, etc. … an agreement that probably works if you’re a division II institution, but not a division I institution.
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5 hours ago, UND1983 said:
Sad thing is Bubba is willing to throw away an entire season so he can continue to do what he wants and collect a check. Pretty much everyone knows he should've stepped aside after the Sacramento State debacle.
Exactly. Stubbornness and greed. I’ve lost nearly all respect for him and his posse.
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6 hours ago, siouxfan512 said:
There are some on this forum that are very jealous of hockey. Hockey has facilities, funding, fans and success. These fans like to boast that if hockey wasn't a priority and the funding was diverted to football, we would magically be perennial national champs. Of course it isn't that simple and you don't tear down one successful program to try to build another. You try to build another successful program in addition to what you have.
Now I'm a big UND football fan too, and there is no doubt they could use some additional funding, probably mostly in the form of coaching salaries (and maybe some new white jerseys), but to blaming hockey is just the quick scapegoat. Any easy way of showing how jealous they are of the success they want for the sport they don't care about.
Had Ralph donated all that money towards a football stadium, you wouldn't hear a peep from this crowd, and how great would it be if we had someone willing to donate that for football as well. It would be incredible! But most schools don't get that for any sport let alone one. The REA has been fantastic for hockey and the community. The Alerus isn't a bad facility either. Its not my person favorite, but its not a bad place to watch a game.
Rather than placing blame on the alumni that did donate a ton to the University, I'd focus more on our AD who hands out unwarranted contract extensions and can't seem to find some more money in our alumni base. It doesn't even need to be a ton more, but they do need to increase the salaries to be competitive. Maybe that will be the focus now that Phase 2 is on its way. I'm not sure it is even that much more money that would need to be raise .... I have no idea, but something needs to be done. When Bubba is gone, it would be really nice to see UND make a splash in hiring (but I doubt it). Problems run deeper at UND that money. There is also just and administrative approach and routine that never seems to change.
Being a “hockey university” is a unique, highly criticizable position to begin with, but sure, you could say jealousy is a small part of it.
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5 hours ago, Devils said:
I do chuckle a little bit...while I am troubled by Danny's departure, some threads on here have had posts by the usual negative suspects that our coaches never leave because no one wants them. Now, when one moves on the program is judged to be in shambles.
Kind of missing the point, aren’t you? The one coach on staff that could replace Bubba as head coach and do better than him has left, and he took a lesser position at a rival institution. That is the issue.
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24 minutes ago, jdub27 said:
Again with pretending anyone is content. Again, I ask you to show me that anyone has explicitly said "good enough".
No one is. The program needs to keep improving. But most of us just don't want to see it slide backwards for that to happen to prove some sort of point or be able to say we were "right" about something.
Pushing for things like improved facilities, player nutrition, coaches salaries, etc. are things that move the program forward. Not withholding funds and then complaining that things aren't improving. If anything, that seems asinine to me.
There is complacency all around. No one is pretending. That narrative can go away. Overall, big picture-wise, there is complacency, and again, recent events suggest it exists also. We should not be losing coaches on lateral moves to peer instructions, and if it’s because a staff is considered to have no future, then they should be terminated now so that the next season (2024) isn’t doomed from the start. Again, complacency and contentment with mediocrity. Another example was the defensive coordinator spot last year; internal promotion, because nobody externally worthwhile was hired. As a result, we end up with a horrific defense. Next season, offensive coordinator leaves. Highly doubtful we will get an external candidate once again. Bubba’s stubbornness is stagnating and even possibly sinking this program.
We can agree to disagree, but your stance (and presumably the admin department’s stance) is the reason this program has been mediocre the past several seasons. But I am hopeful our time will come with eventual changes in light of upcoming new facility upgrades, but it won’t be 2024, maybe 2025 or 2026.
And you clearly don’t understand what an institutional or program-wide rebuild is. Sometimes you do in fact need to tear it down, or in other words take a step back, in order to take two steps forward.
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10 hours ago, jdub27 said:
As to your other question, I've increased my donations to help the program, regardless of who the coach is. I remember where we were 10 years ago and the program is in a hell of a lot better spot and I don't want to see it end up back there.
More on this; I can’t fathom how one could be content just because this program is doing better than they were at their worst. 2012/2013 were awful seasons, bottom of the barrel, and now you think we’re all good because we’re a “hell of a lot better” than that? That is asinine thinking. This program is better but certainly not anywhere near the best, because in the FCS, that means top 5-10. It’s very top heavy. Bubba has essentially not won a playoff game in 10 years, including some abysmal seasons (3-8 in 2017 and 5-6 in 2021) thrown in there; this program is absolutely just mediocre. It’s all smoke and mirrors to project otherwise.
New leadership needed. Bubba has been inflated and overrated from the start, hence even the controversy regarding his hiring in 2013.
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6 hours ago, Sioux94 said:
Vogler, UMD OC had his offense average 37.7 points a game in 2023. I know nothing about the NSIC but he must be doing something right on offense.
I’d be very surprised if an outside candidate - including even a D2 coordinator - would want to sign with this sinking ship, but you never know. Think back to the D coordinator spot last season - we all know how that went. This program is spiraling out of control and will continue to until a new top man gets the job.
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12 minutes ago, jdub27 said:
Figured you wouldn't actually put a name out there. Must easier to keep up the constant complaining when you won't take a stand on anything. They're is also a significant difference between "uninspiring" and "exquisite". There are very few "splashy" hires, especially given the overall circumstances.
As to your other question, I've increased my donations to help the program, regardless of who the coach is. I remember where we were 10 years ago and the program is in a hell of a lot better spot and I don't want to see it end up back there.
Oh I’ve definitely taken a stand (along with many others) and that is this program is heading no where great with Bubba. OC for 2024 will be an internal hire (promotion essentially) as per usual with Bubba. No one from outside the program is jumping onboard this sinking ship. I’ll stick my neck out and say probably Sam King or Joe Pawlak but I don’t know for sure.
As for donations, mine are stagnant at this point with Bubba at the helm. 2021 extension after a losing season was the final straw. When (if) Chaves and the UND admin show they actually want to fund football like a top FCS program, and also demonstrate they have a top-tier vision, then I’d be happy to jump back onboard. In the meantime, simply watching this team in-person consistently lose big games - both at home and on the road - will have to do.
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27 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said:
Great post. We are very close and for that the credit goes to Bubba. The problem is the culture and for that the credit also goes to Bubba, one guy in the big chair could make it happen fast.
That big guy in the chair ain’t gonna be Bubba. Bubba has done some good things, yes, but he should’ve stepped down or been terminated a few years ago.
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58 minutes ago, jdub27 said:
Let's hear yours, realistic options.
Do you wanna help bolster the salary pool? I’d be happy to help with it if Bubba wasn’t the head coach. Bottom line, I don’t expect the list to be very exquisite, and that’s disappointing but it’s the current state of UND Football. Who would want to hitch their coaching career to Bubba at this stage?
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1 hour ago, gfhockey said:
Maybe we could get saban
lot less pressure up here
he’s retiring
On the day of his retirement announcement, I read this quote of his.
"Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people. So if everybody doesn’t buy-in to the same principles and values of the organization at the same high standard, you’re never going to be successful."
- Nick Saban
This especially resonates with me because it actually highlights UND football’s issues right now.
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2 hours ago, DL Sioux said:
https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/college/5-names-to-consider-for-und-offensive-coordinator
Interesting ommission on this list.
Yeah. Uninspiring list.
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https://careers.und.edu/jobs/offensive-coordinator-football-grand-forks-north-dakota-united-states
New OC job listing mentions salary as $80,000-110,000. They need to lean more towards the 110k if they want something worthwhile. -
2 minutes ago, F'n Hawks said:
How did Danny make that little, especially after his promotion to assistant head coach? Just pathetic
This is why the current state of UND athletics is pathetic right now.
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2 hours ago, AJS said:
The concern today, which wasn't there yesterday, is there's a chance Bubba burns this thing down on the way out. Chaves would be as to blame as Bubba if that happens.
Bingo
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2 hours ago, shep said:
This is a step up for Danny bc he’s going to the 2 time National Champs.
For those thinking he wasn’t good here, just remember the 2 time national Champs wanted him.
His O vs them over the last 2 years was better than almost all other opponents.
He was good here. No one else on current staff unfortunately was or is, though, so losing him to a lateral move to a conference peer is awful.
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41 minutes ago, gfhockey said:
I heard it to. Sounded very weird. Something is off
What a joke.
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And this is why Gundy knows ball. Amen. I couldn’t agree more. It’s also why our defense is not where it needs to be; no one to focus in, recruit, and develop the guys in the trenches.
