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2 hours ago, Kab said:
Those in the know
favorite for OL coach ?
and will they be asked where do you see yourself in 5 years ?
Per Bubba’s program standards, if you don’t say UND, you won’t get the job. But we can all hope that Bubba won’t be here (at least as head football coach) in 365 days.
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3 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:
the coaches arent all bailing bc the programs sucks......they are leaving bc other scools will pay way more for their serviices than UND .....
why can sdsu pay danny more yhan us?
This isn’t entirely factual. UND’s counter offer was supposedly higher than SDSU’s offer. Rumor is Freund left anyway; hence, the signifiant concern that staff is leaving because the inevitable is near. Bubba has lost the program and there’s no championship future with him as head coach.
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3 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:
is chaves calling the shots or is KEM?
question is.....who really is calling the shots in our athletic department?Fair question, although slightly controversial and paranoid, it is overall fair.
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3 hours ago, SooToo said:
How many coaches have left? Still looking for an answer.
Interesting that numerous posters here advocating to hire young up-and-coming coaches who move on after a few years for greener pastures.
Pawlak -- by all accounts a young talent -- moves on from und after 5 years and the sky is falling.
Lateral moves to conference rivals is not what we want. Young up-and-comer should be hired to the head job, not coordinator role and position coach roles where they fizzle out and leave a year or two later for a lateral role on a conference rival. If the head coach leaves to the FBS, then we would probably be happy with the success.
Current head coach isn’t getting offers to FBS for a reason … same reason why his coordinators and position coaches are leaving.
What this comes down to is the big picture. Stop kicking the can down the road; ask Bubba Schweigert to retire and take a different position or else face termination. This won’t happen until end of 2024 though at this point.
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21 minutes ago, jdub27 said:
I'm confused as well. If coaches leave, that automatically means that things are going bad in a program? Or is there some sort of arbitrary test that is applied to see whether it is beneficial for ones argument?
Pretty sure NDSU lost their head coach (to be LB coach at USC??), OC (to take the same job in a worse conference for a worse team and then had to steal UND's?) and also multiple assistants. Are things in a tailspin there?
NDSU has won numerous championship. UND hasn’t won a single playoff game (unless you count diluted pandemic season). Apples to oranges comparison.
one or two coaches may be coincidental, but when you have numerous coaches leaving for lateral roles back to back to back, there is a trend. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
But sure, stick your head in the mud, ignore the burning house while you sit in it, whistle happily on the sinking ship, whatever it takes. Hopefully leadership doesn’t take the same approach and has a contingency plan; failing to prepare is preparing to fail. Could argue that is reason UND football is where it is.
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6 minutes ago, SooToo said:
So I'm confused and can't keep up. How many assistants have left exactly? There was Freund after, what, a dozen years? Then Landry, sort of. Then Pawlak left three times. So is the total five?
Defensive staff is full of inbred ineptitude so really the turnover has come from the only staff worth anything in the long-term (hence the reason they went to top regional programs). Overall, this situation is awful for UND football. Hopefully some big-time decisions will be made in approximately 10 months to save UND football program.
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2 hours ago, SiouxHawkGuy said:
Not all of them
Not coincidental here it’s the ol’ gray haired guy who overstays his welcome …
(for historical context, Edward Smith and Bubba Schweigert should not be confused as the same person)
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Bubba will be the head coach still in ‘24. I have no idea about ‘25. I’m not even sure the people who are making the final decisions know about 2025 at this point. We’ll just have to see how it goes in 2024 for starters.
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15 hours ago, CMSioux said:
Appears the two final candidates were very close, like his leadership and professional background and regional roots. If the only tipping point for Landry was his UND Legacy that has been severly damaged.
That’s not the only tipping point. New guy has no FBS coaching experience, and minimal division 1 (FCS) experience. I’m not expecting 2024 to go great for UND, but ultimately, I have no idea what to expect out of the new offensive coordinator. Winona State didn’t exactly light it up last year. We will see…
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Just now, SIOUXFAN97 said:
win or lose 2024 is gonna be a fun fn year........
most don’t like losing
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Spot filled. If he doesn’t leave for USD or UNI before the season starts, we’ll get to see what he can do for UND with a very difficult 2024 schedule …
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3 hours ago, dmksioux said:
Easy. Money. It’s always about money. Until we invest in others sports not named hockey, nothing will change.
Of course. Need more leadership and vision to acquire more for non-hockey sports and enhance the budget. It’s obvious but can’t be ignored: NDSU and SDSU don’t have to fund a hockey program whereas UND does. It still seems that the Kennedy/Engelstad McGarry feud and REA Inc. agreement is causing issues. After Kennedy left, seems UND realized it is not worth the trouble and moved on; thus, they’re in a stranglehold via REA, Inc.
But if you don’t acknowledge the problem then it’s certainly easier to cope.
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1 hour ago, Kab said:
Everyone blaming the hockey budget
get the other programs winning and money follows, South Dakota had a great turnaround in football last year, I doubt their budget increased first
like in anything your leaders need to have a vision
bubba is lacking that
chaves is lacking that
bubba needs to get out more and let people know what the hell is going on and how he is going to fix it
Bubba isn’t capable to facilitate the turnaround. I agree there needs to be more leadership and vision.
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The optics of Freund and Landry leaving are still issues. No question NDSU and SDSU have done better than UND of late on the court and field, but now there’s negative press on UND with their coaches leaving for NDSU and SDSU. It projects UND as being the inferior institution within the region. The only argument is hockey, which none of these rival institutions even sponsor. It puts UND into a vulnerable dilemma. Again, we can criticize individual coaches for having “no character”, but that won’t fix the much bigger issues. Plus, these coaches who are leaving are UND alumni. Why is UND not able to surpass NDSU and SDSU? Why is UND losing alumni coaches to these peer institutions as opposed to the other way around? These are straightforward yet incredibly important issues facing UND.
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1 hour ago, Cratter said:
Yall really missing the point:
Bubba has appeared to really be hiring some highly recruited offensive coordinators lately.
No reason to think he can't do it again.
Bubba is an absolute genius! Who cares about wins and losses when you can hire good assistants (who later bail for the same position at rival schools you’re supposed to be “competing” with). UND athletics is on autopilot in non-hockey sports and it’s absolutely disgusting. No desire for greatness whatsoever. There isn’t even an attempt other than blatant lies to the few who question it directly.
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The honest question is what should be done? I’m not surprised this mayhem is happening right now. Bubba needs to be promptly terminated after 2024 season unless there is a major surprise and team wins playoff games. Coaching salary pool then needs to be increased, and a solid up-and-coming coach needs to be hired, and it needs to be done at a record-setting rate for UND to show increased commitment to higher expectations.
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10 minutes ago, ND-fan said:
Like I said I thought Chaves would extend Bubba with hire of Landry to give him some security with coming here. NDSU job opening would give more job security and is better job over UND with where both programs are now. If this turmoil continues all of you here on this board better live with consequences because we’re heading for loss of number players leaving this program and it will be blue chip players going. This will put us back to worse position than we were in 2013 and all we will hear then how I we wish we were back to where we are now. The money for the program will drop because of less attendance and our local reputation of becoming contender will be gone putting us in loosing position . There are so many think all it will take is new coach that will be messiah that will just turn this program around but we have lost our players, revenue drops and how this effects us setting up NIL program, and how players in the region percieve the program if it’s school that they want to come to. I might be little negative but I don’t think a lot of people here on the board realize that Und does not have reputation as sports school with exception of hockey. That is why I have not as critical of Bubba because has reputation of being fair to players and how he has been invested in UND to better the program not just stepping stone where who ever we get is looking to leave in couple seasons and then we’re trying to rebuild again with another coach unless you have lot of money and is destination where players want to come usually ends in major disaster. I am done for while commenting on football I will just sit back watch this train wreck so many of you wanting it to happen and I believe it’s because school to South’s success and you haven’t understood how the schools have separated on football and where the programs have grown apart because of the paths school have chosen and being in division I sports and communities supporting the schools are not as close as they were 25 years ago.
UND leadership needs to deliberately want to get better. It won’t happen by accident. Can’t be hockey-only. Can’t be extending mediocre coaches. Need to hire young up-and-comer, not an old-timer lifer, but ultimately have to hire the right guy. Need to then give the new staff the proper support, as cant fail to underfund the coaches. So many facets needed to right the ship for UND football. Easy to sit back and watch the ship sink as apathy settles in, but there needs to be a group of proactive supporters that ignite the resurgence. Who will it end up being? Or, will it end up happening? We will see …
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5 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:
So if someone made a deal with you and then turned around and stuck it to you, you would have no problem with it? Please.
Most times, instead of pointing fingers, it’s instead best to look in the mirror. This is known in many successful circles as accountability. This is needed for UND football at this time more than ever.
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20 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:
Freund leaving is totally different than what Landry did. I have no problem with Freund.
Both left because UND football is in a vulnerable position relative to NDSU and SDSU. That is disappointing, but it is reality. Need top notch leadership at UND to change positioning, and that is why Chaves and Armacost are a needed part of this conversation. Bubba is just a lame duck coach at this point.
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1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:
Agreed, Bubba didn't cause this and certainly didn't deserve this.
Bubba’s ineptitude did cause this, and Chaves extended, thus enabling it. And now, this is what you get. Ridiculousness and UND embarrassment for the benefit of rival institutions NDSU and SDSU.
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7 minutes ago, SooToo said:
Yep. A lot of regular posters are sitting out the cluster Sioux Sports has become.
There’s a reason it has become a cluster.
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9 minutes ago, GForks said:
Do you think the OC of Arkansas is a similar job to the OC of Georgia just because they are in the same conference?
The reality is these perceptions can change in 5-10 years; they often do per historical trends.
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29 minutes ago, SooToo said:
An embarrassment, a black eye for UND football for sure -- and a perfect opportunity to trot out your daily diatribe again Schweigert -- but this one's 100% on Landry. He was offered and accepted the OC position at a top 20 FCS program, then bolted in less than 10 days for a similar job at UND's chief rival, clearly hurting his alma mater. His decision, not Bubba's or Chaves'.
Not 100% on Landry. A large portion, sure, but the reality is UND football doesn’t have the glamour we all want it to. That isn’t on Landry who wasn’t a UND employee for much more than a week. That’s on Bubba, Chaves, etc.
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14 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:
I agree with you on the systemic problems. But this isn't about that; this is about someone giving their word and then breaking it. That is what has me fuming, not him wanting to make more money.
If UND football was a more attractive position, you would not have someone breaking their word. And why did Bubba hire someone with such questionable motives? Another example of both systematic failure and Bubba’s inept decision-making.
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Move up? These lateral moves are not moves up. If they are moves up, then that is a major indictment on how UND football is being ran. Lateral moves occur when the writing is on the wall. Lame duck program right now. I understand some of the sentiment, in that UND has desirable coaches, but the point still remains these are lateral moves and the most important coach to have be desirable is the head coach. He doesn’t appear to be very desirable.