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Game was anything but perfect for UND, but they won, and that’s all that matters. Too many missed shots for UND, FG% was not great, but ultimately Amar, BJ and Tyree got UND to the finish line. Ultimately keep improving, and now go for #7 in a row!
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This will be a tough game. All the pressure on UND. Hopefully they rise to the occasion in front of the home crowd. Fun February event for a Saturday afternoon; will be more fun if UND shows up and gets the job done.
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Bg game vs ag college tomorrow! Go Hawks!
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3 hours ago, jdub27 said:
Honest question: What exactly does this look like? Only curious because I've never seen anything similar for the hockey program. I can't recall seeing anything like that from either of the XDSU's (unless it is related to facilities, which I know UND has done as well).
It’s money. XDSU’s have invested more $, which includes facilities, staff (coaching) salaries, and beyond the departments, it now also includes NIL funds. UND is improving facilities, but coaching salaries and NIL are the next two major areas UND football needs to improve. To take it one step further, *how* UND utilizes the addition to the Pollard Center and Memorial Village is crucial. *How* will UND be featuring football with the new facility. The Ralph does a fantastic job with hockey (in terms of the aesthetics). NDSU and SDSU do a very good job aesthetically with their football facilities, namely coaching offices, cafeteria, meeting rooms, trophy cases, etc. These things matter to recruits these days, but just not as much as actual $ upfront. Still, facilities show commitment as well as the history and tradition. If UND does the new facility right, it should take new football recruits no more than 30 seconds to realize upon entering that UND has the better head-to-head record vs NDSU, has won both Big Sky and MVFC conference titles, won the DII national championship in 2001, and has numerous athletes in the pros (NFL and CFL) over the past 20 years. If you’re not featuring those things up front, then you’re not doing it right.
As for coaching salaries, although salaries need to improve, I would not advocate paying Bubba and his staff more until they prove they can produce more. So, with that, we enter a huge 2024 season of “prove it to us”. I think we can both agree, 2024 is a huge year in terms of determining the next steps.
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4 hours ago, Irish said:
And a big selling point was that he is UND family and bleeds Sioux green.
This is understandable, and in numerous collegiate coaching hiring situations across the country, tradition and loyalty is often considered; but …
… there certainly now needs to be consideration to sway away from this with the next hire. For what it’s worth, the most recent offensive coordinator hire (Fruechte) has no prior UND ties, but it is far too early to know if that will be beneficial in the long run.
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48 minutes ago, jdub27 said:
The world isn't black and white, it's OK to accept more than one thing can be true at the same time.
I agree completely; I just think that the biggest issue of them all is the actual dysfunctionality of the program itself, not the external factors that UND can’t control (hence, the importance of accountability).
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36 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:
For the millionth time, nobody disagrees with this.
Then why all the committee did this and the committee did that hoopla?
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1 hour ago, jdub27 said:
Don't disagree, but it is an absolute fact that UND has also absoultely gotten the short-end the last two years with their draws. Getting completely screwed by not having a home game and playing the de-facto #9 seed on the road despite having a higher bid and when they were nowhere near the last team selected in 2022. Last year, even though they should have won and at least got a home game, Sac St was easily the toughest draw in the highest ranked match-up while a bunch of east coast cupcakes got to play each other. Add in having to get dressed in tents at McNeese in 2019 and you really start scratching your head. Two of those three literally caused rules to be changed because they were so egregious.
I know plenty will jump all over that about making excuses and I will absolutely be clear even getting a fair draw in the first round doesn't you past the second round (nor does blowing a lead against Richmond at home!), but to pretend UND's playoff draws have been anything but a joke over the last few years have not helped build some momentum and improved the results also isn't realistic.
There needs to be more accountability; it’s realistic to also acknowledge that. UND needs to make their own luck, and get the job done. Stop blaming others, like the playoff committee. It’s a petty excuse, so I do agree with you on your point being essentially an excuse, and not realistic discourse.
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1 hour ago, CMSioux said:
No coincidence that the perpetual negative posters see this as more than a mixed negative. They see what they want to see and continue to rub their hands at bad news.
Negative posters? Okay so you’re a positive poster … glad we got that straightened out. What’s positive about losing nearly every road game and never winning post season games while regional rivals win playoff games, including national championships, year after year?
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1 minute ago, fightingsioux4life said:
Hasn't @gfhockey claimed to be a representative of the Good Old Boys Club (GOBC)? I think he should come out and tell us.
This is all just purely hypothetical, but it would seem this GOBC is the enemy given all the “inbreeding” concerns of late. Therefore, is @gfhockey actually the enemy?
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19 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:
UND-FB-FAN is in the glasses ...
I wish I could comprehend.
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1 hour ago, Sioux>Bison said:
I’m more surprised neither ended up at NDSU……
To be fair, their new employers (SDSU and Montana) were both better than NDSU in 2023.
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1 hour ago, jdub27 said:
Again, the situation in Fargo proves your narrative isn't black and white. Coaches move for a large range of reasons, and it isn't always clear that it is for the job they are taking. They are thinking of the job or two after that and what options might be there from new connections.
NDSU's OC left for the exact same position at a worse school in a worse conference, halfway across the country where he has no connections, likely for less money and you can't tell me there wasn't guaranteed success in front of him at NDSU. So obviously there are coaches (outside of just UND) who see exactly what you described and move anyway.I agree, not black and white, but UND football hasn’t faced an exodus like this before, at least not in the recent past. The mixed narrative explanation (that is, there are a lot of things in play for each coaching move) is really just a pathetic way to save face. In reality, if being honest with ourselves, we all know the writing is on the wall. Even folks who do not closely follow UND football or have any internal connections can see it. I do appreciate your (@jdub27) persistent loyalty to the current Bubba regime, though, although you’re likely to go down with the ship.
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1 hour ago, jdub27 said:
I mean the same people railing on a decision made 10 years ago that we can't change also want Dale to give the pregame speech every week...
I mean, since going DI, UND football is 1-0 with Dale giving the pregame speech and it’s a big 1-0.
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1 hour ago, gundy1124 said:
Heading into last season there was a false narrative that our Jets (uncoverable) along with 5th year gun Slinger Tommy Gun along with the O-line whisperer Pawlak were going to be impossible to stop. (except for big games on the road of course, Boise, UNI, USD, SDSU) The O-line couldn't pass protect that well and maybe it was lack of talent but I tend to believe it was more on the OC's system, Danny 'new Jack hustler' Freund where if it wasn't a dink-n-dunk you needed a 5 second pocket. Center snaps sucked all season too, didn't help. So all the hype wasn't lived up to.
The 2024 narrative is currently the Titanic hit by a Nuke. If, and it's an (IMPORTANT IF) all the current players stick around and pull together it probably isn't as bad as it seems. With an administration lacking it's up to the new OC and players sticking together to give this thing we call 2024-25 UND football a chance.
You’re absolutely correct, as always. Let’s see what the Nuke-stricken Titantic can do in 2024. I just hope there are consequences if the Titanic does indeed sink. If it doesn’t sink, then we’ll all be onboard celebrating in the end.
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2 hours ago, SooToo said:
Paranoid rationalization? Is that what you read? Interesting interpretation.
If you're not satisfied with a top 20 FCS finish and a playoff loss, you obviously have plenty of company. I think UND should be doing better, too.
Frustrated at the loss of two coaches -- one after more than a dozen years, another after five -- to higher-paying and perceived higher status programs? Agree wholeheartedly, and hopefully it adds fuel to the fire to improve coaches' salaries here.
Don't think Bubba can move the program further forward? You may be right, though I hardly think "greedy" is a fair description of the man.
But when two coaches leaving after a 7-5 season and a playoff appearance is breathlessly sold as a "cratering" of the program, a dumpster fire, a sinking of the Titanic, it seems obvious rationality has left the building. Hyperbole is the mother's milk of sports message boards, to be sure, but if we ditched some of the hysterics it might be easier to have a realistic discussion on this forum on problems and solutions.
“No one is arguing this isn't an important year for a whole bunch of reasons. But some of the suggestions are so far from being based in reality, starting to think half this board is made up of ndsu accounts just having fun at UND's expense.”
- that would count as paranoia. There’s a lot of pure love on this board for UND. No need to try make sense of disputes with this idea.
Secondly, should UND be satisfied with a top 20 finish every year? With no playoff wins or chance at a championship. That seems like asinine low expectations considering how top heavy the FCS is, but I guess this highlights the simple dilemma UND athletics faces; is top 15-20 good enough?
Coaching departures signify the football program is currently stuck in the 15-20 range and won’t ascend, anyways. Put yourself in their shoes. You wouldn’t move to a lateral FCS position for a slight pay raise if you thought there would be upcoming success at UND, as that itself would lead to much bigger opportunities (FBS). Clearly that is not what those [formerly] within the inside thought. Bubba is soon to retire or be asked to “retire”, so the staff with greater aspirations have left. It’s not hard to decipher.
The solution is fire Bubba (or have him “retire”) and hire a better leader, someone who can further build the UND football program to championship standards. Bubba can’t do that.
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53 minutes ago, Longtime fan said:
Couple questions before I join your side. You almost have me
-For you and your group …what is a requirement for a successful year?
-For an upcoming season what should be some expectations . Never mind. Just name an one expectation
-Are you and the crew ok with losing every single road game to a rated team every single season?
-Does bubba show great leadership?
-does bubba show confidence?
-when talking hard data …does that include hard stats or just hard Massey ratings?
-does it hurt inside when expectations are lowered every year ?
-when other people are continuously repeating things are a disaster …is that fake news ?
As the Massey rankings suggest, UND is about ~15th in the FCS and I agree with that. But there are numerous concerns suggesting that UND’s ceiling under Bubba is around 15th (current coach exodus, no significant road wins, lack of leadership, mediocre recruiting, no playoff wins, etc.) and 2024 is likely a season of regression. NDSU and SDSU‘s success puts pressure on UND, yes, but that still doesn’t excuse extending a coach like Bubba year after year. In fact, NDSU and SDSU’s success should give Bubba less leniency, not more.
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3 minutes ago, jdub27 said:
No one is arguing this isn't an important year for a whole bunch of reasons. But some of the suggestions are so far from being based in reality, starting to think half this board is made up of ndsu accounts just having fun at UND's expense.
This is the type of paranoid rationalization I’d expect from someone who is too stubborn and nearsighted (credit to @The Sicatoka) to understand and accept what is needed for UND football to take that next step.
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3 minutes ago, SiouxHawkGuy said:
Fruend as HC and Pawlak as OC. Yeah that would have been nice.
Much better than current situation. Bubba has imploded this program. He couldn’t see the writing on the wall. Stubborn, incompetent man towards the end … but he gets another year worth of payout. Always comes down to $. Would UND AD like more $ from football games, including playoffs? If so, get a better coach.
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6 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:
10 years
61-50
1 playoff win
Ouch.
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7 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:
1. KEM is neither "baba yaga" nor running the department.
2. As Kelly Howe has pointed out, a lame duck coach (2024 and 2025 left on deal and likely no extension) does not scream 'stability'. A number of different people could make moves to resolve this but none have. Is it due to myopia (they don't see the lack of stability and issues it brings) or just stubborness.
Agreed. Poor management strategy at this point, and it’s likely a combination of nearsightedness and stubbornness.
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49 minutes ago, NDRA said:At this point it's hard to argue that either SU program or Montana are not a step higher than UND in on field performance or coaching salary.
And why are they a step higher? That is the major question/concern. Because they ultimately are both FCS programs just like UND is. The reason why Montana and NDSU are perceived to be a step higher needs to be addressed if we want UND football to someday be a national champion, or do we not desire that?
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57 minutes ago, CMSioux said:
Position and assistant coaches move up and move on. It's what they do. The same posters who complain about the quality of our coaches are now gnashing their teeth when some of them move on. It appears UND has been hiring pretty good assistant and position coaches the past few years. There are more in the pipeline.
Move up? These lateral moves are not moves up. If they are moves up, then that is a major indictment on how UND football is being ran. Lateral moves occur when the writing is on the wall. Lame duck program right now. I understand some of the sentiment, in that UND has desirable coaches, but the point still remains these are lateral moves and the most important coach to have be desirable is the head coach. He doesn’t appear to be very desirable.
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2 hours ago, Kab said:
Those in the know
favorite for OL coach ?
and will they be asked where do you see yourself in 5 years ?
Per Bubba’s program standards, if you don’t say UND, you won’t get the job. But we can all hope that Bubba won’t be here (at least as head football coach) in 365 days.
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You’re absolutely correct. UND not having a major media presence located within Grand Forks (no more WDAZ; Forum Communications dictating everything now) has absolutely hurt UND athletics. Grand Forks needs to look into getting a new media presence back in Grand Forks. Lastly, writers need to coalesce and form a Grand Forks based collective; move away from Fargo dictated Forum communications. Won’t happen overnight, but needs to be a goal, especially for UND athletics …