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Nepotism, Corruption and Mediocrity continues at UND!
No surprise … it’s easier just accepting apathy at this point.
Good luck folks with your mediocrity. Hard to be too proud of my alma mater at this point. I’ll direct my dollars and investments elsewhere. Can’t believe I’ve put in as much $ as I have … stupidity! Pile on, I admit it! I screwed up supporting this program, but I’ll still be around a bit.
The local traditions and culture around NE North Dakota and western Minnesota (with the exception apparently being Fargo, which is unsurprisingly booming) continues to astonish me.
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Jeez. So predictable. F UND athletics. Hockey will choke it away too
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Solid win vs USD. I worry UND will drop the first round game vs ORU. Hopefully they have a solid tourney showing. Would love to see some exposure in the championship game or, better yet, in the national tournament!
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On 2/26/2024 at 2:50 PM, Hawkster said:
I would hope an FBS assistant makes more than an FCS HC. Even NDSU pay is small potatoes compared to FBS.
Why would you “hope” for that?
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On 2/22/2024 at 6:46 PM, sioux24/7 said:
How are we not offering kids in our backyard before everyone else?
Laziness? Incompetence?
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Awesome progress this year out of mbb program. Need to finish well; this will make the remainder of the season fun and worth watching!
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2 hours ago, CMSioux said:
Where do you see those funds coming from?
This is an intentional issue by UND. It would take ~ 50-100k more per year to significantly increase salary pool for UND football relative to the competition. When you consider the amount of funds allocated elsewhere, and what has been recently raised for construction projects, this is not a number that is impossible to find or raise. But, once again, the expectations for UND football are too low. UND administration is satisfied with middle of the road salaries. Now Chaves has been now quoted in the GF Herald saying salaries aren’t everything; sure, they’re not, but its been the elephant in the room for a while for UND football, especially this off-season with the coaching turnover. If you want to recruit top coaching candidates to Grand Forks, you need to compensate at the same level - if not more - than NDSU and SDSU. Right now, UND football is purposefully putting themselves at a disadvantage. The true tell will be when Bubba is no longer head coach and a new coach is being searched for; that will especially be the time to raise the salary pool for obvious (recruiting) purposes during the searching/hiring process. Simply paying the current coaches more now isn’t going to fix current problems/issues.
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1 hour ago, gundy1124 said:
It's true, have heard this, and the numbers show it. As hard as some have been on Bubba, would all of you do the same?? Our coordinators are better paid than Bubba.
The average of the top 3 HC's made $368,046. Bubba made 69.3% of this amount.
The average of the top 3 OC's made $120,381. Danny made 86.4% of this amount. (If Bubba was at 86.4% like Danny, that would be another $63,000)
The average of the top 3 DC's made $117,402. Joel made 75.3% of this amount. (not unreasonable for a 1st year DC)
Is it a good long-term strategy to expect the HC to take less money AND pass all increases onto assistants?? Nope!!
This is MVFC.
Sure, Bubba has gave up some of his salary, but the assistant coaches pool is too low even with those “donations”. Needs to be raised, but you don’t give that elevation to the current guys; you make that elevation availabe upon an open competitive job search to attract the best. That is the simple solution, but yet, it’s not that simple. Need UND to want football to be better, first and foremost. That comes down to Chaves, Armacost, and more importantly, the major stakeholders. Put your money where your mouth is. You get what you pay for. Facilities are looking good, but you can’t recruit and retain high quality coaches without high end salaries. After all, we’re taking about Grand Forks, ND …
Lastly, Bubba has had a good run, but the salary rises need to align with a change in coaching staff, not under the current regime.
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45 minutes ago, homer said:
Facilities are equally…….possibly more important in getting/retaining the athletes that can compete for conference championships.
Tom should do a fancy table comparing facilities. I bet the same two schools would be at the top but UND is positioned to be much more favorable.
You’re joking, right?
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2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:
Head coach
Mark Farley, UNI, $400,000
Brock Spack, Illinois State, $364,140
Bob Nielson, USD, $340,000
Tim Polasek, NDSU, $330,000
Jimmy Rogers, SDSU, $310,000
Doug Phillips, Youngstown State, $300,000
Ryan Beard, Missouri State, $275,000*
Nick Hill, Southern Illinois, $265,000
Jody Wright, Murray State, $260,000
Bubba Schweigert, UND, $255,000
Curt Mallory, Indiana State, $218,194Offensive coordinator
Tyler Roehl, NDSU, $123,144*
Bodie Reeder, UNI, $123,000*
Ryan Olson, SDSU, $115,000
Nick Petrino, Missouri State, $108,834*
Tony Petersen, Illinois State, $107,136
Danny Freund, UND, $104,000*
Troy Rothenbuhler, Youngstown State, $102,000
Josh Davis, USD, $100,310
Mike Bath, Indiana State, $94,789
Blake Rolan, Southern Illinois, $93,636
Ben Hodges, Murray State, $76,000Defensive coordinator
Travis Johansen, USD, $119,885
Jason Petrino, NDSU, $117,321*
Jesse Bobbit, SDSU, $115,000
Travis Niekamp, Illinois State, $113,772
L.D. Scott, Missouri State, $108,834*
Antonio James, Southern Illinois, $107,100
Jahmal Brown, Youngstown State, $102,000
Brad Wilson, Indiana State, $99,989
Jeremiah Johnson, UNI, $95,000.04*
Joel Schwenzfeier, UND, $88,400
Dillon Sanders, Murray State, $76,000* — denotes 2023 base salary
From a UND perspective…. Ouch.
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1 hour ago, CMSioux said:
So does this make it appear like the only reason our assistant coach's salaries are competition is because Bubba has been declining raises and passing the money down?
Ridiculous proposition, although Chaves went with it, because as Tom Miller wrote in his article, Bubba won’t be here forever to save that ridiculous budgeting plan, if indeed true. The cold hard truth is football is not appropriately emphasized at UND. Money talks. If you also read Miller’s article, he makes perhaps the best point of all; it’s not what the head coach’s salary is that is correlated with success, but rather what the assistant coaches make that is in fact correlated with success. UND’s assistant coaches - namely coordinators - are not compensated like a championship program within the MVFC. SDSU and NDSU on the other hand…
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14 minutes ago, AJS said:
Shouldn't this be for almost any program a minor issue? Look at UND's athletic budget. For 250K more per year, you could be at the top of the league for salaries. Call it 500K and all of a suddenly you're at the top for all sports. I do think Chaves has done a lot of really good things. Facilities are top notch (once Phase II is completed). Weird that what appears to be the easiest thing to accomplish $ wise, is the only thing that's lacking from this Athletic department.
Regionally speaking, in terms of trying to recruit folks to work and live in Grand Forks, ND, it’s an incredibly, should we say, suspect strategy to have bottom-half salaries compared to conference peers. In my opinion, it’s ridiculous and puts UND athletics in an immediate disadvantage.
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12 hours ago, gfhockey said:
Or the answer will likely be we are going to sit back take a look at everything evaluate the college football landscape think philosophically make an educated guess and then sign the contract with a three-year extension
Unfortunately, this is most probable outcome, but it’s not the right outcome in my opinion.
Improvement is “hard”
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Another illustration of the “issues”:
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Simple alignment is not the issue. Teams rarely are in base defense nowadays anyways; almost always in what you’d call sub packages (nickel). The issues on defense are recruiting, development, and, probably the biggest, the brainpower (or lack thereof) behind the defense.
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2 hours ago, jdub27 said:
Haven't looked back but have they ever been in the last 4 in? Or been a controversial pick?
That would be sneaking in by almost anyone's definition.
2019 was the most suspect due to no conference. I think 2022 and 2023 were felt to be comfortable only because of MVFC affiliation, not because the team exceeded expectations.
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42 minutes ago, jdub27 said:
Won't argue on the advancing but what year's have they "snuck in"?
Other than 2016, in terms of playoff field, they’ve always been 67th percentile or lower.
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2 hours ago, homer said:
Offensive coordinators play calling post NDSU deserves no blame??
Not sure you can blame the offense the past two seasons. During the playoff games (games that truly matter), the offense scored over 30 points in both games and still lost …
In big games, we know which unit is more likely to not show up …
Offensive coordinator and his unit have not been perfect the last several seasons, that is for sure, but the defense has been the weakest link and the team’s mindset/execution in road games is horrendous.
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14 minutes ago, jdub27 said:
Saying a new OC is good in the long-run is antagonizing innovation and pushing the status quo? Wild.
Just because people don't continuously beat a dead horse anonymously on a message board, hold grudges, threaten to withhold donations and demand to burn everything down doesn't not mean they aren't actually working on different ways to improve the program and athletic department by actually doing things that hopefully help.I assume/hope we all wants what is best for UND. We definitely all have different views on how that can/should be accomplished.
Defense has been awful the past couple seasons. Team is awful on the road and after big games. Can’t advance in the playoffs when they do happen to sneak in. That is not the offensive coordinator’s fault, but rather the head ball coach (who is supposed to be a defensive guy).
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14 hours ago, jdub27 said:
First, consider the source. It definitely seems to be more sensationalized from any of the versions I've heard. The end result was likely best for everyone in the long run, even if it meant losing the OC. And before the random arguments come up, I'm not saying that I think losing the OC was good for the very near future.
Also, no clue if there is an actual extension in the works (even though some have decided it is apparently already done since its been brought up for the last two months). Even if there is, as was already stated, it doesn't mean anything until we see the actual details of what would be in any sort of extension. If it is a multi-year extension with full buyout, that's significantly different than an extension in years only with an easy buyout for UND that on the surface shows long-term stability to help with recruiting, which these days includes new recruits and keeping your own players on your team.
You epitomize the status quo. You antagonize innovation and improvement (change). But, you are consistent with your message and provide an excellent example of the very mindset permeating throughout UND decision-makers (e.g., Chaves) right now, particularly in regards to UND football. This microcosm is a nice example for us trying to understand the proposed rationale for poor decision-making, so, thank you.
As for extension with possible buy-out terms in favor of UND, that is a good point. Hopefully UND and Chaves actually do that.
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9 hours ago, gfhockey said:
Per source
chaves quietly extending bubba 3 years
Danny went in to meeting with them expecting chaves bubba to let Danny know bubba will be retiring and he will be named successor and he was blind sided with the plan they wanted to put in place. Danny was more scared about having a bad year this year and everyone getting canned if they didn’t perform so elected to go with the safe money
This is old news. Pathetic and embarrassing news, but still old news. UND athletics continues to make questionable decisions, and it all comes back to low expectations and ulterior motives.
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57 minutes ago, iluvdebbies said:
I agree. I prefer repetitiveness over sarcasm.
Is it possible to go without both repetitiveness AND sarcasm? Doubtful.
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7 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:
I think that was sarcasm.
6 hours ago, UND1983 said:Sarcasm brah
Sarcasm on a messaging board … age-old dilemma.
UND vs. Omaha 3/10 8:30PM
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Hey, look, right again. So easy predicting the actions of this wandering-in-the-dark lost program. Good job Chaves.