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On 11/30/2019 at 8:06 PM, geaux_sioux said:Well that was embarrassing. Where does the program currently sit?
1. Our WR group is too slow/white. It just is what it is. Our WR does not look D1. Tall slow white boys can ball but if that’s all you have it makes it really hard to get separation against even an average secondary.
I am an uncle to Noah Wanzek, you know, one of the big slow “White” WR’s, who can’t separate (not sure how he caught 74 balls this year) but who gave it his all for 4 years and who basically played with one arm Saturday. He found out today he played with a separated shoulder and fractured collarbone. Might had something to do with his separation problem. You know, he’s the one who doesn’t have any athleticism, never mind his 22’ long jump & 43’ triple jump in HS and being named a ND Mr. basketball finalist. Oh yea, he is also one of the WR who is not a D1 talent, according to this blog, yet he’s ranked high in UND’s all time WR record books. Heck, he even beat Kenny Gollady’s season receptions record. I’ve always suspected a subtle hint of racial profiling on this blog, not being black, you know he can’t be that good! Now, it being a race problem actually has been said here by some. Disgusting! We have guys on the team with a ton of speed, but few catches. Speed is obviously helpful but it takes more than just speed to be a good wide receiver.
I never followed this blog until Noah went to UND and will probably not follow it anymore. But a word of advice, parents and other family members can read too! Good luck to the Hawks into the future!-
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1 hour ago, geaux_sioux said:He needs a haircut
He is growing it out in honor of his mother who died 5 years ago from pancreatic cancer. He started at beginning of season. He’s vowed to not cut until end of season. Let’s hope it grows some more !
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1 hour ago, SWSiouxMN said:Not holding my breath. Talk is cheap, show us. Should have had this mindset last week.
Okay, I’ll probably regret weighing in, but I feel compelled. I don’t necessarily disagree with your thoughts. I too am terribly disappointed in our teams performance. I had higher expectations. However your negative comments towards Noah are unwarranted! I know Noah well, and there is nobody more competitive than Noah. He hates to lose. And he did “show you” with his individual performance and focus. 6 catches, one a highlight diving catch, 124 yards, 1 td. Almost had 2 tds. But throw was a bit late and he got targeted and drilled on the 2nd td opportunity, helmet flying 10 feet in the air, nearly breaking his nose(swollen and purple) and 5 stitches in his chin. Defender is thrown out of the game. And yet he comes back out on the field to compete and scores a td. Are you telling him that is not focus, that’s not effort or leadership by example?
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On 10/6/2019 at 9:14 AM, forksandspoons said:
Wasn’t Wanzek like a national champ in the punt pass and kick? He’s gotta be able to punt the ball more than 30 yards
When Noah Wanzek was a 15-year-old, he placed second in the nation in the NFL’s punt pass and kick. He also was an all conference/ all state punter In high school. He averaged in the 40s. In one game against Minot High, he hit a 72 yard booming punt. Just saying. -
10 hours ago, Longtime fan said:
Overall talent is not where it should be for an fcs team. They’re recruiting D2 for a D1 program with an occasional stud. Just looking through the roster I see, imo, 9 guys that would have potential to crack into another teams two deep chart thats a top 10 team.
McKinney, fort, jaxon, Caleb, Donnell, Bennett, maag, Siegel and Isaac Moore (as a OLB/ ILB) would be the 9. Donnell, Bennett, Siegel and fort could start with most any team.
2 from the offense and 7 from D .
recruiting needs a major kick in the ass!
As well as coaching needs new coaches
Don’t necessarily disagree but I think you missed some; Larson, Wanzek, Canady, JJ, Toivonen to name a few. They have all put up respectable numbers playing in the same league as the top 10 teams do.
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18 minutes ago, Teeder11 said:
You must be new here. ( ;
No. 1 rule of Sioux Sports: the injury “excuse” can only be applied when it pertains to our opponents*, when we beat them. ACCEPTED USAGE ADDENDUM: It can be used by our own fan base, the vanqished teams’ representatives, stakeholders and fan bases and/or trolling instigators from third party rival fan bases.
* Mainly pertains to FB and BB program opponents.
Just thought you should know.
Signed,
MGMT wannabe
Yes, I am new enough to not know that I broke the rules! My two oldest children are Sioux graduates. I should’ve asked them first Sorry.
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1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:
These numbers are skewed if one is trying to evaluate talent. UND threw the ball way more than they do now when Golladay was on the team (2012-2103), as evidenced by throws & catches. Hardin was on the team getting catches also. Additionally, UND had no running game with those Muss teams and threw short passes to make up for no running game.
If Golladay had stayed for his junior and senior season ... well, WATCH OUT!
Point is Golladay was and is way more talented than Wanzek. Wanzek is a good player for UND but to say he is even with Golladay, who is currently starting in the NFL, is just absurd.
As I said, UND needs more guys like Golladay and Hardin on their team. After Wanzek and Maag, UND’s receivers are not talented enough. In their defense, though, they are not often put in good situations by Rudolph.
Golladay 2 years
UND had 507 completions amongst 14 different receiversGolladay 99/507=19.53% of completionsWanzek 2 yearsUND had 348 completions amongst 14 different receiversWanzek 77/348=22.13% of completionsI’m just stating factsSomeone mentioned our receivers are horrible. If you throw 207 more times, like Golladay years, there stats’s would be right up there. And our # 2,3 & 4 receivers are out yesterday. That has an impact on the game. I’m not implying anything more than that. And I’m not the one who brought Golladay comparison up. Others did. I’m Just stating facts. -
2 hours ago, Hawkster said:
It's frustrating that Muss could get guys like Golladay but then we couldn't keep them, and now it seems we can't even get the really elite players any more. .
If Golladay is the measuring stick for productive WR’s FYI
Kenny Golladay’s first 2 years
UND threw 827 times
Golladay-99 catches or 11.9 % of UND total
Golladay - 9 TD or 1.09% per UND throw
Golladay -1313 yds or 1.59 yds per UND throw
Wanzek first 2 years
UND threw 620 times
Wanzek- 77 catches or 12.42% of UND total
Wanzek- 8 TD or 1.29% per UND throw
Wanzek- 1015 yds or 1.64 yds per UND throw -
Helgren?? Wanzek-concussion, Maag-hamstring, JJ-foot Noah seems to be ok according to his dad
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Very disappointing! I am so frustrated with this season. We continue to beat ourselves!
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Just now, UNDBIZ said:
Oliveira trying to end it himself.
That guy has a lot of heart!
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1 hour ago, UNDBIZ said:
JJ looked fast on that 90 yarder! But I'm not sure any of the DBs really wanted to catch him either, haha
JJ’s 90 yarder was very impressive! He looks fast for a 250 lb’r!
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3 minutes ago, Sioux94 said:
Ok our OL has massively outperformed this year. We have two starters out and we have 450 yards on the ground.
Agree. They deserve a lot of credit.
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At15 years old Wanzek placed 2nd in the nation in punt pass and kick. It would make more sense having him kick then catching punts.
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7 hours ago, UNDBIZ said:
Ketteringham seems to struggle with the corner fade route. The throw to Wanzek in the SHSU game was also pretty bad, just got lucky.
I agree. Odds are the catch would have been difficult as Noah was covered. But he had nearly 10 more yards to the back of the end zone to work with. To give him a chance you have to throw up a jump ball. Noah was a ND mr basketball candidate dunking the ball many times with a 38” vertical and 6’4” with long arms. One of his final high school basketball games against Dickinson he had 18 rebounds against 7’ Jordan Meidinger now with NDSU. They are not using his skills right. And he has proven he has good hands. He didn’t even have a chance at that ball.
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1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:
That’s a difficult throw (across the field over a defender) with not great separation by Wanzek (certainly wasn’t wide open). The UND receivers are below average FCS players and were completely overtaken by the above average to very good FBS defensive backs of Washington.
Maybe so! But Ketteringham is no Aaron Rodgers either. Anybody who has watched the last 2 years has witnessed Wanzek make a leaping grab or 2 in the back of the end zone with his vertical jump. That throw was short and low. Put some air under it. Throw it where only Wanzek can make a play or out of bounds. Why else do we have 6’4” basketball type WR’s? Listen, we win as a team and we lose as a team. I just felt there has been an inordinate amount of blame for our passing woes on the WR in this thread. I wish Ketteringham all the good fortune possible. He seems like a great kid and a good athlete.
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37 minutes ago, Sioux>Bison said:
Ketteringham will do just fine going into the rest of the season. You guys need to realize we were playing against NFL caliber secondaries so how do you expect our homegrown WR’s to get open? We have some talented WR but none that I think at this point could play on Sundays. Do you really expect our wr to be open every play so of course Ketteringham would be under pressure. We will have a better advantage when we start playing our FCS schedule. No worries from this camp. Can’t wait until Saturday!
OK, I know I’m biased, but I’m getting a little tired of all the blame on WR’s. Here’s an example of our wide receiver open in the Seattle Times. If the quarterback would’ve put some air under the ball or thrown it a split-second sooner we would’ve had a TD. The score would’ve been 17 to 7 late in the third.
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16 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:
The Football Forum Committee will just need to see some verification of that...
Lol! Of course, I did play when they were using leather helmets!
But I did play! Bubba can be my witness!
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6 hours ago, Old School Guy said:
I would like to see Zimmerman get some snaps if the passing game is stagnant next week.
I agree. Ketteringham seems to have all the physical skills, but the verdict is out on his leadership abilities. Last year, when Zimmerman came into the Montana game, you could feel the change. It seems like Zimmerman has the “it” factor. I would continue with Ketteringham but if the offense doesn’t start clicking, I would consider Zimmerman. Can’t place all the blame on wr’s. In 1st game, Ketteringham held the ball for less than 3 seconds when he let it fly, catching Wanzek 45 yards downfield from line of scrimmage. Doesn’t seem like a slow wr to me. He has made a number of catches the last two years on fade routes or back shoulder throws. If you want him to make a play you got to throw him the ball. You have to give these big guys a chance to make a play on those 50-50 balls! Throw them open!
And yes I did play high school and college football! :)Sent from my iPhone-
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10 minutes ago, UND Fan said:Parent or friend of Noah's? Either way, welcome to SS.com!
Thanks. Excited to watch UND football. Excited for this season. Not a parent. A relative tho. Noah has helped us become committed UND football fans. Hoping for a better season than last year. Good Luck.
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2 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:
We've got too many slow WRs still. Separation is key. It does us no good to go three wide with guys who can't separate against a decent CB.
Wanzek was open numerous times. Studsrud didn't look his way. He's the kind a receiver you throw it up and let him make a play. Last week Oliveira carries 16 times for 164 yards & Wanzek targeted 10 or 11 times, caught 7 for 117 yards two touchdowns. This week Oliveira carries only four times and Wanzek targeted only three times and caught the two that he should have today.
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