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Obviously, I was being hyperbolic about the death penalty. But if the NCAA had found that UND's compliance office knowingly looked the other way, that would have been a much bigger issue. There was no containment here—the player could have reported UND, and Lindenwood's athletic department could have easily become aware of the situation. What would have been the risk to them? They could have faced consequences for failing to notify the NCAA. I agree that college athletics admin has become a joke. I agree that tampering is a problem. But, under those circumstances, the penalties would have been significantly stronger, and FCS playoff eligibility absolutely could have been on the table if the athletic department had ignored compliance concerns. As it stands, UND self-reported the issue, received what amounts to a slap on the wrist, and simply moved on. Right move.

I agree - take the over. But, on the off chance the NCAA finds out about this, what are you odd on the death penalty for UND Athletics.

Wow, you can't make this stuff up with the Fargo media: No mention that playoff eligibility is unaffected and that no scholarships were impacted. Apparently, the FCS is now Division II in Fargo. From the article: "UND Football is coming off a successful 2025 season that moved onto the second round of the NCAA Division II football tournament." What can you say? Fargo is going to Fargo.

I agree the NCAA would have never discovered this on their own. But the compliance office was the one that found this and notified the coaches and administration that the player was not in the transfer portal. It was the right thing to do. A cover up would have been worse than the crime. And given the NCAA and UND's history. Take the slap on the hand is the smart move.

".... The Bison football team is economic development. Let’s roll with it. This idea will go about as far as my 59-year-old right arm can throw a football these days — nowhere." He was spoofing the idea of tourism dollars from the State. He was serious about funding from other sources. I didn't see any baiting for SDSU fans, but he was directly comparing funding sources for both of the State schools, which is why UND fans should pay attention. Next paragraph "The point is NDSU athletics has been underfunded by the state for years. ..." So, the real message from the article is that NDSU Athletics is underfunded. Look at NDSU compared to UND. Look at NDSU compared to other FBS programs. And I can't tell you how many times I have heard this statement from the Bison faithful and numerous other Bison media figures (Sam Herder has this topic on speed dial for an annual article). And they always point to the USA Today database as the primary reference. Which is why my original response to the article was that this is a false equivalency because of differences in Title IX approaches and charitable gambling proceeds. Example: https://herosports.com/fcs-football-top-teams-least-subsidized-bzbz/ by Sam Herder So you can say it's McFeely nobody should listen, but everyone can see if NDSU is going to be successful at the FBS level they are going to need additional government support from the school, students and local government (Fargodome). FYI - They are already talking about the need for upgrades at Fargodome for expanded FBS coaching offices. Next, it is Fargodome upgrades needed for additional revenue generating opportunities and expansion to support better FBS opponents.

I never said the statement came from a school representative, and I never said McFeely was being logical. But the article released by the Fargo media was clearly framed around the idea that UND already relies more on government resources for athletics than NDSU, so why shouldn’t NDSU receive additional government support as well? That support could come in many forms — changes to funding models, student government approving additional fees, or increased backing from state, county, or city entities. The article was clearly intended to start conversations about expanding public support for NDSU athletics. So to say nobody is asking for that is simply naive on your part. There was obviously a purpose behind the article.

Then why is the Fargo media pimp'n FBS for State funding?

If we get those three back, let's go!!! We are ready to roll on D!!

I was simply providing an explanation as to why there is a difference. Most of the time, the Fargo media does not mention the gender or charitable gambling revenue differences. I think that is intentional because the general public does not fully understand those distinctions. In addtion, the choices made by the schools generations ago may not be viewed as favorably by the public today, so they tend to keep that part quiet. As a result, many people are left with the impression that UND relies more heavily on public funding than NDSU. Here are some general numbers: School Male Enrollment Female Enrollment UND ~48% ~52% NDSU ~45% ~55% Athletic Participation Comparison School Men Participants Women Participants Male % Female % University of North Dakota (FY2023) 232 200 53.7% 46.3% North Dakota State University (FY2019 public report located) 333 215 60.8% 39.2% UND’s participation numbers are substantially closer to gender proportionality than NDSU’s. Scholarship Dollar Comparison NDSU (publicly available detailed breakdown) Category Men Women Athletically Related Student Aid $2,994,043 $1,771,567 Share of Scholarship Dollars 62.8% 37.2% NDSU’s football program drives much of the male scholarship total. But there is $1.22 million dollar gender imbalance. So, if you account for gender and charity you are looking at $2.22 million dollar difference. Then if you take in account that UND dropped Tennis which was approximately $1.0 million dollar expense. You can see much of the difference between the schools is accounted. Here is an example using 2022 data from USA Today. As you can see, things even out very quickly. So, what do you say Dan, let's be more fair to lady's and start womens hockey at NDSU. We know there is interest. Please contact your admin and get the ball rolling. The lady's in your life thank you. Total Revenue Students Fees School Funds Total School Support School Support % School Support Adjusted % Notes UND $30,859,877 $3,083,815 $11,693,936 $14,777,751 47.9% 44.6% Adjust for Tennis NDSU $29,295,443 $1,378,132 $8,131,877 $9,510,009 32.5% 40.7% Remove gambling and add proportional gender scholarships.

What was the $10 million bailout from a couple years ago?

I think UND’s is around 50%. Any number of factors drive the difference: 1. Different Title IX compliance approaches: measuring based on interest versus a true 50/50 participation model. 2. NDSU receives around $1M from charitable gambling in the Fargo area, while UND has chosen not to pursue that funding approach for athletics. 3. NDSU has gone back to students for additional funding and has been denied. UND students have generally been somewhat more receptive to increased support. The reality is that both North Dakota schools rely on public resources far less than the average Division I state-supported university.

In the LLHC is states that this is for hockey. It does not mention basketball.

Is this real, Creighton University starting hockey?

I thought that you had an EV?