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Maybe we should find faculty at both institutions to write a letter in support of playing UI and UND.
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#652
Posted 07 October 2005 - 08:07 PM
dagies, on Oct 7 2005, 07:59 PM, said:
Sioux-cia, on Oct 7 2005, 07:54 PM, said:
Count me in! In addition to HockeyMom's questions, ask them why Wisconsin and Iowa haven't extended their bans to include conference games. We know why, hypocrites. And in additon to the real reason, they are also chicken $#it.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>
THEY ARE NOT!
Iowa is going to ban PINK in the lockerooms. If that's not a brave, progressive stand, I don't know what is.
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I stand corrected.
Iowa is ahead of it's time! Likely anticipating an NC$$ edict labeling the color PINK hostile and abusive, Iowa is banning pink from the locker rooms now.
#653
Posted 07 October 2005 - 08:14 PM
dagies, on Oct 7 2005, 08:02 PM, said:
Maybe we should find faculty at both institutions to write a letter in support of playing UI and UND.
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Those against the name are vocal and visible. How would we go about identifying those faculty who would be willing to sign such a letter; current students may know who they are, the alumni office may also be another good source?
#654
Posted 07 October 2005 - 08:39 PM
star2city, on Oct 7 2005, 07:22 PM, said:
Champaign-Urbana News-Gazette: Letter calls for Schools to Shun Illinois, North Dakota
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Those signing the letter include 30 UI faculty; 24 faculty from the University of North Dakota...
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Those 24 faculty from the University of North Dakota need to be escorted off campus permanently. I volunteer for the duty.
#655
Posted 07 October 2005 - 08:45 PM
DamStrait, on Oct 7 2005, 09:39 PM, said:
star2city, on Oct 7 2005, 07:22 PM, said:
Champaign-Urbana News-Gazette: Letter calls for Schools to Shun Illinois, North Dakota
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Those signing the letter include 30 UI faculty; 24 faculty from the University of North Dakota...
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Those 24 faculty from the University of North Dakota need to be escorted off campus permanently. I volunteer for the duty.
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I'd bet plenty that they all have tenure.
However, I think if they don't they should be fired for the simple reason that they are taking Native Americans above and beyond the welfare of all of the other students and their interests. This produces a hostile and abusive atmosphere for those who AREN'T Native American.
#656
Posted 07 October 2005 - 08:50 PM
redwing77, on Oct 7 2005, 09:45 PM, said:
DamStrait, on Oct 7 2005, 09:39 PM, said:
star2city, on Oct 7 2005, 07:22 PM, said:
Champaign-Urbana News-Gazette: Letter calls for Schools to Shun Illinois, North Dakota
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Those signing the letter include 30 UI faculty; 24 faculty from the University of North Dakota...
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Those 24 faculty from the University of North Dakota need to be escorted off campus permanently. I volunteer for the duty.
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I'd bet plenty that they all have tenure.
However, I think if they don't they should be fired for the simple reason that they are taking Native Americans above and beyond the welfare of all of the other students and their interests. This produces a hostile and abusive atmosphere for those who AREN'T Native American.
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there are ways around that....
they can be put in charge of jack and squat... sequestered into the attic of the ROTC building, etc..
#657
Posted 07 October 2005 - 08:53 PM
DamStrait, on Oct 7 2005, 09:39 PM, said:
star2city, on Oct 7 2005, 07:22 PM, said:
Champaign-Urbana News-Gazette: Letter calls for Schools to Shun Illinois, North Dakota
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Those signing the letter include 30 UI faculty; 24 faculty from the University of North Dakota...
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Those 24 faculty from the University of North Dakota need to be escorted off campus permanently. I volunteer for the duty.
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They have no problem cashing their pay checks from the University they are so ashamed of. If they really truly believed in what they were signing they should quit their job in protest. Then they could go do some pro bono work on the reservations so those professors could see first hand the real problems facing Native Americans today.
#658
Posted 07 October 2005 - 09:02 PM
redwing77, on Oct 7 2005, 08:45 PM, said:
DamStrait, on Oct 7 2005, 09:39 PM, said:
star2city, on Oct 7 2005, 07:22 PM, said:
Champaign-Urbana News-Gazette: Letter calls for Schools to Shun Illinois, North Dakota
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Those signing the letter include 30 UI faculty; 24 faculty from the University of North Dakota...
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Those 24 faculty from the University of North Dakota need to be escorted off campus permanently. I volunteer for the duty.
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I'd bet plenty that they all have tenure.
However, I think if they don't they should be fired for the simple reason that they are taking Native Americans above and beyond the welfare of all of the other students and their interests. This produces a hostile and abusive atmosphere for those who AREN'T Native American.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here, here!!
#659
Posted 07 October 2005 - 09:04 PM
dallassiouxfan, on Oct 7 2005, 08:53 PM, said:
DamStrait, on Oct 7 2005, 09:39 PM, said:
star2city, on Oct 7 2005, 07:22 PM, said:
Champaign-Urbana News-Gazette: Letter calls for Schools to Shun Illinois, North Dakota
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Those signing the letter include 30 UI faculty; 24 faculty from the University of North Dakota...
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Those 24 faculty from the University of North Dakota need to be escorted off campus permanently. I volunteer for the duty.
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They have no problem cashing their pay checks from the University they are so ashamed of. If they really truly believed in what they were signing they should quit their job in protest. Then they could go do some pro bono work on the reservations so those professors could see first hand the real problems facing Native Americans today.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, right.
These people are your typical 'talk the talk' yet can't/won't 'walk the walk'.
#660
Posted 07 October 2005 - 09:13 PM
They have no problem cashing their pay checks from the University they are so ashamed of. If they really truly believed in what they were signing they should quit their job in protest. Then they could go do some pro bono work on the reservations so those professors could see first hand the real problems facing Native Americans today.
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I agree 100%. I don't believe these people and their dislike of the nickname because if they did they surely would not have applied and accepted a job from an institution that stood for something they didn't believe in. That is like a pro-life person taking a job at an abortion clinic, it doesn't make sense. These are the type of people that would bitch if their icecream was cold.
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I agree 100%. I don't believe these people and their dislike of the nickname because if they did they surely would not have applied and accepted a job from an institution that stood for something they didn't believe in. That is like a pro-life person taking a job at an abortion clinic, it doesn't make sense. These are the type of people that would bitch if their icecream was cold.
#661
Posted 07 October 2005 - 09:29 PM
From the Associated Press:
Congressional delegation supports Fighting Sioux nickname
Three days late, the AP comes through with a severely shortened version of the Herald's Tuesday story.
Congressional delegation supports Fighting Sioux nickname
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All three members of North Dakota's congressional delegation say they disagree with an NCAA decision to bar the University of North Dakota from using its Fighting Sioux nickname and logo during postseason tournaments.
Three days late, the AP comes through with a severely shortened version of the Herald's Tuesday story.
#662
Posted 07 October 2005 - 11:17 PM
dagies, on Oct 3 2005, 10:27 AM, said:
dagies, on Sep 30 2005, 05:02 PM, said:
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In today's Pioneer Press editorial "NCAA must be consistent" this comment was made: "It doesn't matter if a logo and nickname are offensive to one tribal member or 1 million. The fact is they're offensive and they're wrong."
I looked up the definition of "pioneer" and among various definitions the first listed were a noun "One who ventures into unknown or unclaimed territory to settle." and an adjective "Of, relating to, or characteristic of early settlers". As a relative of a pioneer who did help settle this area, I find it offensive you use the word "pioneer" as a name for your paper.
It doesn't matter whether I am the only one offended or if a million people are offended. I now expect you will be changing the name of your newspaper. Thank you.
If you don't think you should change your name, please explain to me why I should not be offended, while at the same time using a blanket statement defining the use of American Indian nicknames as "offensive" and "wrong".
Oh, and will you be taking on Notre Dame next?
I looked up the definition of "pioneer" and among various definitions the first listed were a noun "One who ventures into unknown or unclaimed territory to settle." and an adjective "Of, relating to, or characteristic of early settlers". As a relative of a pioneer who did help settle this area, I find it offensive you use the word "pioneer" as a name for your paper.
It doesn't matter whether I am the only one offended or if a million people are offended. I now expect you will be changing the name of your newspaper. Thank you.
If you don't think you should change your name, please explain to me why I should not be offended, while at the same time using a blanket statement defining the use of American Indian nicknames as "offensive" and "wrong".
Oh, and will you be taking on Notre Dame next?
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It's Monday, and still don't see my letter in the on-line edition.
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Well, I've checked all week and my letter didn't make it. However, this guy's did, on Wed 10/5. I almost had to wonder what wavelength we were both on....
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What about names
that offend me?
In your Sept. 30 editorial "NCAA must be consistent," you stated, "It doesn't matter if a logo and nickname are offensive to one tribal member or 1 million."
So, apparently the litmus test for offensive names is a single person. I hereby declare that the name "Pioneer Press" is offensive to me. My forefathers were pioneers, and I consider that I have somewhat of a "pioneer" spirit. Will you be changing the name of the newspaper? For that matter, what about the name of the city of St. Paul? Isn't it offensive to atheists?
PATRICK LORCH
that offend me?
In your Sept. 30 editorial "NCAA must be consistent," you stated, "It doesn't matter if a logo and nickname are offensive to one tribal member or 1 million."
So, apparently the litmus test for offensive names is a single person. I hereby declare that the name "Pioneer Press" is offensive to me. My forefathers were pioneers, and I consider that I have somewhat of a "pioneer" spirit. Will you be changing the name of the newspaper? For that matter, what about the name of the city of St. Paul? Isn't it offensive to atheists?
PATRICK LORCH
#663
Posted 08 October 2005 - 07:55 AM
Dayton Daily News: Nickname fight rages for 'Sioux'
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Call it the calm before the storm.
As it loosened up Friday evening at the nearly deserted Nutter Center — wearing nondescript practice uniforms whose only hint of origin came from the small Indian logos on the black pants and helmets — the University of North Dakota Fighting Sioux hockey team was all but unnoticed as it prepared for tonight's season opener against the Miami RedHawks in the Lefty McFadden Invitational.
For a few reasons — one it could do without — that probably won't be the case at season's end.
As it loosened up Friday evening at the nearly deserted Nutter Center — wearing nondescript practice uniforms whose only hint of origin came from the small Indian logos on the black pants and helmets — the University of North Dakota Fighting Sioux hockey team was all but unnoticed as it prepared for tonight's season opener against the Miami RedHawks in the Lefty McFadden Invitational.
For a few reasons — one it could do without — that probably won't be the case at season's end.
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For years the unapologetic Engelstad — who Las Vegas media reported was infatuated with Nazism — opposed any attempts to change the Fighting Sioux nickname at UND.
#664
Posted 08 October 2005 - 08:56 AM
Dayton Daily News:
I feel a Mike McFeelyesque sigh coming on.
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For years the unapologetic Engelstad — who Las Vegas media reported was infatuated with Nazism — opposed any attempts to change the Fighting Sioux nickname at UND.
I feel a Mike McFeelyesque sigh coming on.
#665
Posted 08 October 2005 - 11:41 AM
http://www.enidnews....story_280014703
Enid, Oklahoma, News:
Enid, Oklahoma, News:
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Instead of fighting about the Florida State Seminoles or the North Dakota Fighting Sioux, if people would direct all that energy into presenting the Native American culture, people would change their minds on their own and see that these are proud people and we should honor them even more.
#666
Posted 08 October 2005 - 04:43 PM
[quote name='star2city' date='Oct 8 2005, 07:55 AM']
[url="http://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/content/sports/daily/1008arch.html"]Dayton Daily News: Nickname fight rages for 'Sioux'[/url]
[QUOTE]the University of North Dakota Fighting Sioux hockey team was all but unnoticed [/QUOTE]
Be the Fighting Sioux in first place, last place or on the injury list, they would NEVER, NEVER be 'all but unnoticed'.
[QUOTE]Others see the arena as a bastion of bad taste.[/QUOTE]
Me sees the shine of a certain green eyed monster here, especially when I read about their new arena and saw pictures of it's construction. All I can say is 'Hee, hee, hee.'
[QUOTE]Then he made sure to spend the entire $100 million only on the arena.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand this. I was always under the impression that Ralph had promised to build the best, damned hockey arena in the world in Grand Forks, North Dakota as a show case for the best damned college hockey players in the world. Was a portion of the $100M suppose to go somewhere else? I know he quietly donated money for 2500 wheelchairs for people in ND who needed them about that same time, built a $10M hockey arena in his home town and gave millions of money to other charities but those donations were not tied to the REA budget. Hmm?
[QUOTE]"The Ralph is a symbol of Ralph Engelstad's power and the power of the money he had," Donna Brown, assistant director of UND's American Indian Student Services, [/QUOTE]
You got that right, Donna. As assistant director of UND's American Indian Student Services, you should point to Ralph Engelstad, a former UND student as a symbol of success. Donna, tell them that Ralph came from humble beginings just as many of them do and he went on to become one of the most successful alum from the University of North Dakota. Donna, tell them that with hard work, strong heart and clear goals, they to can achieve similar goals.
[QUOTE]Meanwhile, the UND athletes are caught in the middle of a battle they didn't make and Buning said he and his coaches are "trying to shield them from the issue and just let them be student-athletes."[/QUOTE]
Our athletes are the best in the country and this is NOT going to affect their achievements. We, fans and alumni, are behind them 110%, fighting the good fight and we will perceiver and in the end we will still be the FIGHTING SIOUX.
[url="http://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/content/sports/daily/1008arch.html"]Dayton Daily News: Nickname fight rages for 'Sioux'[/url]
[QUOTE]the University of North Dakota Fighting Sioux hockey team was all but unnoticed [/QUOTE]
Be the Fighting Sioux in first place, last place or on the injury list, they would NEVER, NEVER be 'all but unnoticed'.
[QUOTE]Others see the arena as a bastion of bad taste.[/QUOTE]
Me sees the shine of a certain green eyed monster here, especially when I read about their new arena and saw pictures of it's construction. All I can say is 'Hee, hee, hee.'
[QUOTE]Then he made sure to spend the entire $100 million only on the arena.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand this. I was always under the impression that Ralph had promised to build the best, damned hockey arena in the world in Grand Forks, North Dakota as a show case for the best damned college hockey players in the world. Was a portion of the $100M suppose to go somewhere else? I know he quietly donated money for 2500 wheelchairs for people in ND who needed them about that same time, built a $10M hockey arena in his home town and gave millions of money to other charities but those donations were not tied to the REA budget. Hmm?
[QUOTE]"The Ralph is a symbol of Ralph Engelstad's power and the power of the money he had," Donna Brown, assistant director of UND's American Indian Student Services, [/QUOTE]
You got that right, Donna. As assistant director of UND's American Indian Student Services, you should point to Ralph Engelstad, a former UND student as a symbol of success. Donna, tell them that Ralph came from humble beginings just as many of them do and he went on to become one of the most successful alum from the University of North Dakota. Donna, tell them that with hard work, strong heart and clear goals, they to can achieve similar goals.
[QUOTE]Meanwhile, the UND athletes are caught in the middle of a battle they didn't make and Buning said he and his coaches are "trying to shield them from the issue and just let them be student-athletes."[/QUOTE]
Our athletes are the best in the country and this is NOT going to affect their achievements. We, fans and alumni, are behind them 110%, fighting the good fight and we will perceiver and in the end we will still be the FIGHTING SIOUX.
#667
Posted 08 October 2005 - 05:01 PM
Sioux-cia, on Oct 8 2005, 04:43 PM, said:
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Then he made sure to spend the entire $100 million only on the arena.
I don't understand this. I was always under the impression that Ralph had promised to build the best, damned hockey arena in the world in Grand Forks, North Dakota as a show case for the best damned college hockey players in the world. Was a portion of the $100M suppose to go somewhere else? I know he quietly donated money for 2500 wheelchairs for people in ND who needed them about that same time, built a $10M hockey arena in his home town and gave millions of money to other charities but those donations were not tied to the REA budget. Hmm?
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The original donation was announced as $100 million. Part of that was going to build a new hockey arena (the best arena for the best college hockey team) and the remainder going to the university for whatever they wanted. At the original press conference they thought it might be close to 50-50. As the plans for the arena were developed it turned out that they spent all the money plus more on the arena.
#668
Posted 08 October 2005 - 05:10 PM
82SiouxGuy, on Oct 8 2005, 05:01 PM, said:
Sioux-cia, on Oct 8 2005, 04:43 PM, said:
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Then he made sure to spend the entire $100 million only on the arena.
I don't understand this. I was always under the impression that Ralph had promised to build the best, damned hockey arena in the world in Grand Forks, North Dakota as a show case for the best damned college hockey players in the world. Was a portion of the $100M suppose to go somewhere else? I know he quietly donated money for 2500 wheelchairs for people in ND who needed them about that same time, built a $10M hockey arena in his home town and gave millions of money to other charities but those donations were not tied to the REA budget. Hmm?
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The original donation was announced as $100 million. Part of that was going to build a new hockey arena (the best arena for the best college hockey team) and the remainder going to the university for whatever they wanted. At the original press conference they thought it might be close to 50-50. As the plans for the arena were developed it turned out that they spent all the money plus more on the arena.
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Thanks for the explanation, 82SiouxGuy. I didn't know that. Oh, oh, admitting lack of knowledge on this board. Ok, GK, go for the jugular, it's barred (only for the next 15 seconds).
#669
Posted 08 October 2005 - 05:16 PM
dagies, on Oct 7 2005, 11:17 PM, said:
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What about names
that offend me?
In your Sept. 30 editorial "NCAA must be consistent," you stated, "It doesn't matter if a logo and nickname are offensive to one tribal member or 1 million."
So, apparently the litmus test for offensive names is a single person. I hereby declare that the name "Pioneer Press" is offensive to me. My forefathers were pioneers, and I consider that I have somewhat of a "pioneer" spirit. Will you be changing the name of the newspaper? For that matter, what about the name of the city of St. Paul? Isn't it offensive to atheists?
PATRICK LORCH
that offend me?
In your Sept. 30 editorial "NCAA must be consistent," you stated, "It doesn't matter if a logo and nickname are offensive to one tribal member or 1 million."
So, apparently the litmus test for offensive names is a single person. I hereby declare that the name "Pioneer Press" is offensive to me. My forefathers were pioneers, and I consider that I have somewhat of a "pioneer" spirit. Will you be changing the name of the newspaper? For that matter, what about the name of the city of St. Paul? Isn't it offensive to atheists?
PATRICK LORCH
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I think we are all aware that is just one of our sudo-reporter's sudo-nyms...
#670
Posted 08 October 2005 - 08:25 PM
star2city, on Oct 8 2005, 11:41 AM, said:
http://www.enidnews....story_280014703
Enid, Oklahoma, News:
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Enid, Oklahoma, News:
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Instead of fighting about the Florida State Seminoles or the North Dakota Fighting Sioux, if people would direct all that energy into presenting the Native American culture, people would change their minds on their own and see that these are proud people and we should honor them even more.
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"As long as you don't do something improper or insulting, I don't have a problem with (American Indian nicknames)," said Donnie Childs, a former Enid track and cross country standout who is a member of the Otoe Missouria tribe.
"I love the Enid mascot. I would fight for Enid to keep that mascot.
"I don't see anybody wanting to get rid of the Fighting Irish (of Notre Dame) or the (West Virginia) Mountaineers. Instead of fighting about the Florida State Seminoles or the North Dakota Fighting Sioux, if people would direct all that energy into presenting the Native American culture, people would change their minds on their own and see that these are proud people and we should honor them even more."
"I love the Enid mascot. I would fight for Enid to keep that mascot.
"I don't see anybody wanting to get rid of the Fighting Irish (of Notre Dame) or the (West Virginia) Mountaineers. Instead of fighting about the Florida State Seminoles or the North Dakota Fighting Sioux, if people would direct all that energy into presenting the Native American culture, people would change their minds on their own and see that these are proud people and we should honor them even more."
I guess you can tell this guy isn't a Sioux.
