[Teeder11]

sioux7>5, on Aug 5 2008, 10:37 AM, said:

To me it takes balls the size of Alpha-Centari(spelling)to print this garbage. What content editors are there at the Herald. To allow someone to submit this as a legitmate news story and then give the OK to print it, is at the very least pathetic and at most horrible journalism

I totally agree. However, it's neither a "news story" nor is it "journalism." The letter in question is one man's twisted opinion on an extremely controversial issue. Letters-to-the editor, editorials and other content on the Op/Ed pages are not to be considered "news stories," the same as advertisements are not. The Herald may censor things from its news pages or Op/Ed pages, but I think most on this message board would agree, that we should not be advocating for censorship of any kind. Not even if it's trash and drivel that we whole-heartedly agree with. For as much as I read on here the mantras denouncing PC ideology and calls to support the 2nd Amendment, the NRA and the like, I would assume that most on this board would also stand by everyone's right to an opinion (unless it is libelous, of course.) I say let John Hoff and the other anti-name crowd spew their twisted logic as much as they want. It only helps to expose them for the nuts they are. And, while we're at it, I say let's give the Herald a back-handed pat on the back for printing this garbage and for helping the cause of those who want to support the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo.

[dagies]

Teeder11, on Aug 5 2008, 12:11 PM, said:

I totally agree. However, it's neither a "news story" nor is it "journalism." The letter in question is one man's twisted opinion on an extremely controversial issue. Letters-to-the editor, editorials and other content on the Op/Ed pages are not to be considered "news stories," the same as advertisements are not. The Herald may censor things from its news pages or Op/Ed pages, but I think most on this message board would agree, that we should not be advocating for censorship of any kind. Not even if it's trash and drivel that we whole-heartedly agree with. For as much as I read on here the mantras denouncing PC ideology and calls to support the 2nd Amendment, the NRA and the like, I would assume that most on this board would also stand by everyone's right to an opinion (unless it is libelous, of course.) I say let John Hoff and the other anti-name crowd spew their twisted logic as much as they want. It only helps to expose them for the nuts they are. And, while we're at it, I say let's give the Herald a back-handed pat on the back for printing this garbage and for helping the cause of those who want to support the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo.

I agree.

[Chief Illiniwek Supporter]

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I am still waiting for management at Engelstad Arena to provide specifics — the name of the artist, the date and place of creation — to prove me wrong.

I personally think the statue came from Superman's home planet of Krypton. I am waiting for management at Engelstad Arena to provide specifics — the name of the artist, the date and place of creation — to prove me wrong. (And even then I won't believe them. I'm getting messages via the fillings in my teeth that tell me the management of Engelestad are actually aliens from the planet Lugyanana, and everyone knows they're habitual liars.)



As I'm not familar with the newspaper writers, I assume that the author listed is actually just a private citizen currently living in Minneapolis? Or did he escape from Area 51?

[Teeder11]

Teeder11, on Aug 5 2008, 12:11 PM, said:

I totally agree. However, it's neither a "news story" nor is it "journalism." The letter in question is one man's twisted opinion on an extremely controversial issue. Letters-to-the editor, editorials and other content on the Op/Ed pages are not to be considered "news stories," the same as advertisements are not. The Herald may censor things from its news pages or Op/Ed pages, but I think most on this message board would agree, that we should not be advocating for censorship of any kind. Not even if it's trash and drivel that we whole-heartedly agree with. For as much as I read on here the mantras denouncing PC ideology and calls to support the 2nd Amendment, the NRA and the like, I would assume that most on this board would also stand by everyone's right to an opinion (unless it is libelous, of course.) I say let John Hoff and the other anti-name crowd spew their twisted logic as much as they want. It only helps to expose them for the nuts they are. And, while we're at it, I say let's give the Herald a back-handed pat on the back for printing this garbage and for helping the cause of those who want to support the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo.

Quick edit: Not even if it's trash and drivel that we whole-heartedly disagree with.

Thanks!

[Teeder11]

Chief Illiniwek Supporter, on Aug 5 2008, 01:33 PM, said:

I personally think the statue came from Superman's home planet of Krypton. I am waiting for management at Engelstad Arena to provide specifics — the name of the artist, the date and place of creation — to prove me wrong. (And even then I won't believe them. I'm getting messages via the fillings in my teeth that tell me the management of Engelestad are actually aliens from the planet Lugyanana, and everyone knows they're habitual liars.)



As I'm not familar with the newspaper writers, I assume that the author listed is actually just a private citizen currently living in Minneapolis? Or did he escape from Area 51?

John Hoff has no connection to the newspaper, other than the paper's obsession with writing about him and his eccentricities (the newspaper probably also realizes that if people see the name "John Hoff," people will want to read about him just to see what happens next, no matter if they care for the guy or not. Bottomline, like a car wreck; he sells papers.) Hoff is a former Grand Forks County resident, who moved to Grand Forks about eight years ago from Seattle. He ran for City Council and won, eventually being recalled by residents of his ward. He went on to get a law degree from UND and now lives in the Twin Cities. I think he's a Minnesota native.

He became very outspoken against the nickname as a law student, which isn't surprising, as many anti-nickname people populate the UND Law School.

[Goon]

Teeder11, on Aug 5 2008, 03:18 PM, said:

John Hoff has no connection to the newspaper, other than the paper's obsession with writing about him and his eccentricities (the newspaper probably also realizes that if people see the name "John Hoff," people will want to read about him just to see what happens next, no matter if they care for the guy or not. Bottomline, like a car wreck; he sells papers.) Hoff is a former Grand Forks County resident, who moved to Grand Forks about eight years ago from Seattle. He ran for City Council and won, eventually being recalled by residents of his ward. He went on to get a law degree from UND and now lives in the Twin Cities. I think he's a Minnesota native.

He became very outspoken against the nickname as a law student, which isn't surprising, as many anti-nickname people populate the UND Law School.

I know a few of the people that lead the effort to recall him. He lived in Gilby for a while an really stired the residents up there as well.
Here is his story.

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Hoff is trying to emphasize his issues: livable wages, environmental protection, cultivation of industrial hemp, basketball hoops for students at the University of North Dakota, and that "everyone must have a voice in our government." But it is less Hoff's issues and more his style and flair for outrageous statements that is getting him into trouble. The nadir was a July 17 City Council meeting that degenerated into a parliamentary pissing match, with Hoff and other council members childishly calling "point of order" at each other before horrified onlookers. In civil, Norwegian Grand Forks, such things aren't done.

Hoff later apologized for his behavior, but it wasn't enough. Pissed-off constituent Larry Vanderhoff has launched a recall effort against Hoff that has apparently turned in enough signatures to force another election sometime before October 2. The recall effort is supported by a former mayor, the local newspaper, and most of the city's establishment.

"He's probably one of those professional students that has $100,000 in student loans he'll carry with him to his grave," scoffs Vanderhoff. "He's an embarrassment to my ward." (Grand Forks City Council is made up of wards or districts that represent different parts of the city.) Vanderhoff collected signatures from 755 voters and recruited Lowell Stevens, the candidate who fell six write-in votes short in the last election, to run against Hoff again. "Every time [Hoff] opened his mouth we got more signatures," says Vanderhoff. "We don't all necessarily disagree with his views, it's just how he's doing it and where he's doing it."

[Chewey]

Teeder11, on Aug 5 2008, 02:18 PM, said:

John Hoff has no connection to the newspaper, other than the paper's obsession with writing about him and his eccentricities (the newspaper probably also realizes that if people see the name "John Hoff," people will want to read about him just to see what happens next, no matter if they care for the guy or not. Bottomline, like a car wreck; he sells papers.) Hoff is a former Grand Forks County resident, who moved to Grand Forks about eight years ago from Seattle. He ran for City Council and won, eventually being recalled by residents of his ward. He went on to get a law degree from UND and now lives in the Twin Cities. I think he's a Minnesota native.

He became very outspoken against the nickname as a law student, which isn't surprising, as many anti-nickname people populate the UND Law School.

I was one of the law school populace during the Bleacher Creature dust up. At that time, some drunk frat boys made som idiotic remarks to some indians who were marching in the Homecoming parade. The next year the hockey team had to wear the "North Dakota" jersies rather than the Blackhawk logo ones. I can not remember one person who was opposed to the nickname in the law school. I am sure that there probably were some and I am sure that there are some now. With Jim Grijalva as professor there, the few that are anti-nickname are probably more vocal. I am sure that a vast majority of the law school students do not oppose the nickname. If I were there now instead of 15 years ago, I'd be wearing my Sioux jersey every day to class.

[Chief Illiniwek Supporter]

Teeder11, on Aug 5 2008, 02:18 PM, said:

....Hoff is a former Grand Forks County resident, who moved to Grand Forks about eight years ago from Seattle. He ran for City Council and won, eventually being recalled by residents of his ward. He went on to get a law degree from UND...

So he's a law school graduate (if not a lawyer): and not only does he throw in a Nazi reference for no discernible reason, he also thinks that someone owes him personally a history of this statue??? Wow. This guy has quite an entitlement complex.

[Goon]

Chief Illiniwek Supporter, on Aug 5 2008, 03:58 PM, said:

So he's a law school graduate (if not a lawyer): and he thinks that someone owes him personally a history of a statue??? Wow. This guy has quite an entitlement complex.

This guys is a piece of work Teeder was being generous when he explained him.

[Chief Illiniwek Supporter]

Goon, on Aug 5 2008, 04:01 PM, said:

This guys is a piece of work Teeder was being generous when he explained him.

It's frightening to think he's a college graduate, much less a law school grad.

[Sioux-cia]

Goon, on Aug 5 2008, 02:49 PM, said:

I know a few of the people that lead the effort to recall him. He lived in Gilby for a while an really stired the residents up there as well.
Here is his story.

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"It's blood in the streets, it's headlines every day. I am the City Council now, I have the power. Is that crazy?"

Yes John, it is crazy. Your mental illness is out there for all to see and for all to wonder, 'Why isn't someone doing something to put this guy in a mental institution/or hospital (in NYC maybe?) where he can get the help he needs?'

[Goon]

Chief Illiniwek Supporter, on Aug 5 2008, 04:02 PM, said:

It's frightening to think he's a college graduate, much less a law school grad.

Professional student...

[Sioux-cia]

Goon, on Aug 5 2008, 02:07 PM, said:

Professional student...

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"He's probably one of those professional students that has $100,000 in student loans he'll carry with him to his grave," scoffs Vanderhoff.

[Goon]

Sioux-cia, on Aug 5 2008, 05:06 PM, said:

Yes John, it is crazy. Your mental illness is out there for all to see and for all to wonder, 'Why isn't someone doing something to put this guy in a mental institution/or hospital (in NYC maybe?) where he can get the help he needs?'

I was thinking that I could probably find his prognosis in the DSMIV. Narcissistic rage comes to mind.

[Fetch]

wasn't Jack Hoff the guy in the Kangaroo suit too

[The Sicatoka]

Chief Illiniwek Supporter, on Aug 5 2008, 01:33 PM, said:

I personally think the statue came from Superman's home planet of Krypton. I am waiting for management at Engelstad Arena to provide specifics — the name of the artist, the date and place of creation — to prove me wrong. (And even then I won't believe them. I'm getting messages via the fillings in my teeth that tell me the management of Engelestad are actually aliens from the planet Lugyanana, and everyone knows they're habitual liars.)

(I can't help myself. I have to play along ... )

Dude, quit buyin' the cheap Wal-Mart generic brand of foil.
Go back to the Reynolds Wrap when you make the tin foil hat for Mr. Hoff.


John Hoff ---->


DISCLAIMER: The preceding picture was not of John Hoff ... as far as I know.

[ScottM]

Chief Illiniwek Supporter, on Aug 5 2008, 04:02 PM, said:

It's frightening to think he's a college graduate, much less a law school grad.

It's sad to think "idiocy" is now criteria for a "diverse student body".

[Chief Illiniwek Supporter]

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"He's probably one of those professional students that has $100,000 in student loans he'll carry with him to his grave," scoffs Vanderhoff.

I found the original article on the net: between this guy, Mr. First Amendment and the one who thinks there's a single corporate "Sioux Nation" you have quite a collection. But my favorite was another quote from the story...

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Hoff is trying to emphasize his issues: ...cultivation of industrial hemp...

Yes, since you've been there 30 days its long since past the time that you started this crusade: people just hadn't thought of it before. (You should wait longer than 30 days before posting to a message board, much less running for office.)

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Hoff is also looking into the constitutionality of North Dakota's recently revised recall law, which he claims discriminates against third-party officeholders by making it too easy for a minority to wage a recall.

Again, the entire state of North Dakota was just waiting for an enlightened person like you to light a single lamp. Uh, the majority had to elect you in the first place-if you don't retain that majority, you're going to lose. Its kinda simple.

The Sicatoka, on Aug 5 2008, 09:05 PM, said:

Dude, quit buyin' the cheap Wal-Mart generic brand of foil. Go back to the Reynolds Wrap when you make the tin foil hat for Mr. Hoff.

Another good one-I was stuck between the fillings, tinfoil hat brigade and a Star Trek fan convention reference.

ScottM, on Aug 6 2008, 09:48 AM, said:

It's sad to think "idiocy" is now criteria for a "diverse student body".

I really think that if you had a college full of (white, black, your choice of a single race) nutcases who embraced any and every sort of wild conspiracy theory, you would be immune from charges of racial discrimination. (At least from the academic community, that is.)



Finally, another quote from the article:

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In civil, Norwegian Grand Forks, such things aren't done.

Ethinic reference!! Racism!! BURN THE NEWSPAPER TO THE GROUND WHILE THE PUBLISHER IS IN THE BUILDING!! SHOOT ANYONE WHO HAS EVER READ IT!!!

[SiouxMD]

This is off topic and has nothing to do with UND but does involve everyones favorite whipping boy...the fearless leader of the NCAA...Mr. Myles Brand.

Despite calls for ban, NCAA says it can't stop beer ads, fantasy sports

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Joining the call were nine members of the U.S. House of Representatives, who sent their own letter to Brand on Wednesday.

All four letters were released by the Center for Science in the Public Interest,

"We find it puzzling that NCAA advertising rules prohibit ads for cigarettes, other tobacco products, organizations promoting gambling and alcoholic beverages, yet continue to allow ads for beverages with alcohol content of 6 percent or less [beer, the top alcoholic drink of college students]," the letter said. "Given the devastating problems caused by underage and excessive drinking, much of it in the form of beer, this policy makes little sense and flouts the core values of sports and learning."

Beer ads...Myles Brand can't stop them.

[Chief Illiniwek Supporter]

SiouxMD, on Aug 8 2008, 09:59 AM, said:

Beer ads...Myles Brand can't stop them.

Any mention of sponsorship by Pontiac?

Is the Jeep Cherokee banned??



I don't think Mr. Brand will have to worry about this issue for much longer. Bud's new parent is going to cut advertising buys significantly; and many people think that action will allow Miller, Coors, et al to also cut their budgets.