[The Sicatoka]

GeauxSioux, on Dec 9 2007, 07:30 AM, said:

Let the people speak..

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One common theme of the interviews was that the enrolled members of the reservation, not the tribal council, should decide the nickname's fate.

Some people advocated a reservation-wide referendum, following debates in every district between nickname supporters and opponents. Others thought it would be sufficient to take a popular vote at meetings of the governing councils of the reservation's eight districts and to take those results to the tribal council.

Standing Rock's nickname, supporters speak out

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The interviews were not organized as a debate. No nickname opponents were invited ...

Fun to use the "other side not invited" tact against the Jeanotte crowd, eh?

[The Sicatoka]

Now does everyone now understand why Ron McNeil (aka Ron His Horse is Thunder) was so upset when he was given the power (the power he claimed he always wanted) to make this decision? He knew that there would be a day of reckoning, not with the "white man", but on Standing Rock, with his people, that would come with it.

[darell1976]

Sounds like Ron His Horse Is Thunder would look like a total idiot if a vote of the rest of the tribe goes through and the result is everyone for the name and him as the lone person against it. I think it should be a vote of the tribe (THE WHOLE TRIBE!!!)!

[The Sicatoka]

Mr. Branch's opinion seems to be that if you use an adjective and a tribal name you owe someone some money for using the name.

http://www.in-forum....articles/185634

Well, if that's the criteria, what do North Dakota and South Dakota owe the Dakota?

They don't use an adjective, but Iowa would seem to owe the Kiowa as would Illinois owe the decendents of the Illini Confederation. Utah would owe the Utes possibly also.

See how far we can take this line of thinking. Great, isn't it.

[PCM]

I suggest that Mr. Branch hold his breath while waiting for his idea to happen.

[Chief Illiniwek Supporter]

[quote name='The Sicatoka' post='296627' date='Dec 9 2007, 10:32 PM'][url="http://www.in-forum.com/Opinion/articles/185634"]http://www.in-forum.com/Opinion/articles/185634[/url][/quote]
This guy is quite a piece of work.

First,

[quote]...when I attended the University of North Dakota.[/quote]

I wonder if there's any reason he said "attended" instead of "graduated from".

[quote]But – a big but – they may decide on something different...[/quote]

Get ready for a BRAND NEW IDEA: something nobody's ever thought of before...

[quote]Rent the name. Rent the name to the University of North Dakota for X number of years at X million dollars per year[/quote]

Okay, depending on exactly which planet he calls home, I'm think X is going to have to represent a fraction and not a whole number when he uses it with the dollars. Do you live on Earth? A fraction. Do you reside on some other planet? In that case, feel free to use any number that pops into your head.

[quote]...renewable at the option of North Dakota’s American Indians.[/quote]

Why should any tribe beside the Sioux have a say here?

[quote]And – just as important – add whatever conditions they like.[/quote]

Good point, because your imaginary contract is obviously enforcable in an imaginary court of law. How much are you going to sue... er, what sort of damages will you require from Sioux City Iowa?

[quote]– and very importantly – giving Sioux Indians a megaphone, in the person of the UND president, to speak out about any disrespect of the name.[/quote]

I can see why he thinks this is very important. Indian "victims" get far less coverage in the news media than the President of the University of North Dakota.

[Chief Illiniwek Supporter]

[quote]When I was at UND, I saw abuse and misuse and trivialization of the Sioux name that would turn your stomach, descriptions of which The Forum would not print, partly because The Forum likes the “Fighting Sioux” nickname, and uses it at every opportunity. Suffice it to say that, especially at the opposing schools’ homecoming parades I marched in, it was common to see displays of American Indians being killed, skinned, dragged, hung, and on and on, in ugly, grisly, and brutal ways. Bathroom humor was also popular. I’ll leave that to your imagination.[/quote]

This pretty much speaks for itself. He needs to leave it to our imagination because he simply imagined most of it himself. [u]Skinned??[/u] Please. If this is not made up out of whole cloth, where's the proof?

[quote]How would I feel, seeing cardboard cutouts of my honest, hardworking parents, or of my grandmother, gentle and honorable woman that she was, treated this way, dragged or spat on or worse? How Indians could have endured this is beyond me. I don’t think I could.[/quote]

So what you want us to believe here is that when you were in the band, somehow your opponents figured out who from North Dakota would be attending a game at their campus, broke into their home to steal their family pictures, made cardboard cutouts (uh, how old is this guy exactly?) of the North Dakota student/Native American's Grandmother and dragged them somewhere? Of course, after somehow "skinning" the pic of Granny.


More ignorance in the next paragraph, then...

[quote]Those things seemed merely silly to a naive young white kid then[/quote]

First: when? Exactly when?
And I'll add that some people go from being a naive young white kid to being a naive old white man.

And here's the topper:

[quote]Weighed against 150 years of history, 20 years of Indian casinos are … what? Maybe a good start.[/quote]

What does this have to do with ANYTHING?

Seriously, is newsprint that cheap these days? Blank space would have been better. This sort of garbage isn't helpful at all. Let this guy wear his tinfoil hat all by himself.


BTW Sicatoka...[quote name='The Sicatoka' post='296627' date='Dec 9 2007, 10:32 PM']Illinois would owe the decendents of the Illini Confederation.[/quote]The state of Illinois will be right behind the government of France. Let us know how much you collect from them.

[KEH]

Today in the herald there was a viewpoint from a teacher at SCSU about how the Sioux name was so terrible and I want to ask her this simple question. "What are you doing about the continued problems on your campus?" i.e. death threats from students to teachers calling teachers Nazi's and posting Nazi imagery in their department mail boxes.

I get so sick and tired of people who think they are constituents of the university, when they really aren't...More than likely this person does not have a degree from UND, does not live in North Dakota, does not have a kid attending UND, currently attend UND, and does not give money to UND....frankly if you don't meet the above qualifications you have no say and you should worry about your own problems and not somebody else's...

[Chief Illiniwek Supporter]

KEH, on Dec 9 2007, 11:32 PM, said:

More than likely this person does not have a degree from UND

At least on this point he carefully uses the word "attended" and not "graduated". He does realize that it would be very easy to go to either the Alumni Association or some office of public records and prove that he didn't graduate if he falsely claims that he did.

[ScottM]

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Suffice it to say that, especially at the opposing schools’ homecoming parades I marched in, it was common to see displays of American Indians being killed, skinned, dragged, hung, and on and on, in ugly, grisly, and brutal ways

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Funny, I don't ever recall being invited to other schools' homecoming parades when I attended, and later graduated from, UND. Mr. Branch be a pretty "special" person ... Let alone if any parade had featured anything remotely resembling Mr. Branch's fantasies, I'm sure the rest of the world would have heard about it.

[darell1976]

I'm just sad that this lowlife lives in the same town as me, what a piece of sh-t. I bet he goes to Bison games with a Sioux Sucks t-shirt on. And chants Kill the Sioux. What a moron.

[Oxbow6]

Mr. Branch, like most other anti-nickname people, tend to say this happend and that happened because they where there. So why not on occasion give specifics...time, date and place. The sad thing is is the fact that too many people who read the newspaper take any thing printed as "truth". Was at UND for 4 years and traveled quite often to other schools for FB, BB and hockey games and I never ran across any of the scenerios he described in his letter. You can see how he is staff at SCSU.

[siouxforeverbaby]

ScottM, on Dec 10 2007, 08:39 AM, said:

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Suffice it to say that, especially at the opposing schools’ homecoming parades I marched in, it was common to see displays of American Indians being killed, skinned, dragged, hung, and on and on, in ugly, grisly, and brutal ways

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Funny, I don't ever recall being invited to other schools' homecoming parades when I attended, and later graduated from, UND. Mr. Branch be a pretty "special" person ... Let alone if any parade had featured anything remotely resembling Mr. Branch's fantasies, I'm sure the rest of the world would have heard about it.

for the sake that this is driving me nuts, Can people get it through their heads that UND has no control over what OTHER schools do? I am sorry that other schools fans chant bad things about the Sioux, I am sorry that they put up cutouts during their Homecoming parades. WHAT DO YOU WANT UND TO DO ABOUT IT? seriously, UND can't do anything about it, so go talk to those schools. And as for SCSU's all high and mighty faculty, if it is so wrong that other schools chant bad things about the Sioux at hockey games or football games or whatever games.....then STOP YOUR STUDENTS FROM DOING IT!

ok, I feel better now

[GeauxSioux]

Hoeven says UND nickname decision shouldn't be rushed...

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Hoeven says having a "thoughtful, inclusive" process is more important than setting a timeline.

Hoeven says he would be willing to be a part of negotiations with tribal leaders, though he thinks UND should take the lead.

Hoeven says members of North Dakota's congressional delegation have also told him they're willing to be part of negotiations.

[The Sicatoka]

http://www.grandforksherald.com/articles/i...mp;section=News

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Gov. John Hoeven said Tuesday that he is willing to participate in nickname negotiations with the tribes, but he wants UND to take the lead, according to a report from the Associated Press.

Sioux leaders have said in the past that negotiating with a university or other lower-level state entity is beneath their station as a sovereign nation.

Paulsen said he appreciates the governor's suggestion, but believes that if the delegation is not led by state government leaders, then it should be the state board, rather than UND, that takes the lead.

[Diggler]

Wow, how arrogant can you be? It's beneath you?

Paulsen is a twit.

[sioux7>5]

Diggler, on Dec 12 2007, 03:07 PM, said:

Wow, how arrogant can you be? It's beneath you?

Paulsen is a twit.

I am not sure twit is a strong enough word. Then do away with their souveirgn nation status. I am so tired of the assinine tribal leaders. They want to be independent then be independent, No more Voting for OUR leaders, NO more handouts from OUR country. Just be done with the reservation systems. Either they assimilate or they shut up. Sorry if my spelling is off, but I am really tired of this attitude of the tribes.

[Sioux-cia]

The Sicatoka, on Dec 12 2007, 03:03 PM, said:

http://www.grandforksherald.com/articles/i...mp;section=News
Sioux leaders have said in the past that negotiating with a university or other lower-level state entity is beneath their station as a sovereign nation.

[The Sicatoka]

How many "soverign nations" have to have their constitutional changes reviewed and approved by the US Secretary of the Interior?

Can I get Iran added under this policy?


Ultimately, Ron McNeil (aka Ron His Horse Is Thunder) is a US citizen, just like me.

[Chewey]

sioux7>5, on Dec 12 2007, 05:17 PM, said:

Diggler, on Dec 12 2007, 03:07 PM, said:

Wow, how arrogant can you be? It's beneath you?

Paulsen is a twit.

I am not sure twit is a strong enough word. Then do away with their souveirgn nation status. I am so tired of the assinine tribal leaders. They want to be independent then be independent, No more Voting for OUR leaders, NO more handouts from OUR country. Just be done with the reservation systems. Either they assimilate or they shut up. Sorry if my spelling is off, but I am really tired of this attitude of the tribes.

Agree entirely. "Independent" means indenpendent, right? From what my mother-in-law, a French Canadian, tells me, the Quebec French Canadians want for themselves how the indians have it here. It's truly nonsensical.