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#2251 User is offline   Chief Illiniwek Supporter 

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Posted 08 September 2007 - 04:47 PM

Here's a story that may be of interest: a Sioux tribe member will be getting some scholarship money, courtesy of those who support Chief Illiniwek:

http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/200...arship_to_honor

I don't agree with everything that they're doing. but at least it's partially constructive. Which is a LOT more than I can say for 99.999% of the haters.
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Posted 08 September 2007 - 09:01 PM

View PostOxbow6, on Aug 30 2007, 10:41 AM, said:

View Postbincitysioux, on Aug 30 2007, 07:18 AM, said:

UND NICKNAME: Group rescinds support

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Members of the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation's Veterans' Group board voted 3-2 Wednesday night to rescind their two-day-old support for UND's Fighting Sioux nickname and logo.

The board voted unanimously to support the nickname during a meeting Monday, but board members later were inundated with calls from Standing Rock veterans and other tribe members expressing opposition to the nickname, said Ed Black Cloud, the board's acting chairman.

“There were a lot of things we didn't know about when we made that motion,” Black Cloud said, later adding, “we didn't know about the treatment of Indian students (at UND).”




Cheyenne River Sioux tribe writes to Kupchella

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In a letter sent Friday to UND President Charles Kupchella, leaders of the Cheyenne River (S.D.) Sioux Tribe distanced themselves from enrolled member Sam Dupris and reaffirmed the tribe's opposition to UND's Fighting Sioux nickname and logo.

“The tribe is concerned about reports that UND and the Ralph Engelstad Arena may be utilizing Mr. Sam Dupris as an agent to garner support for their use of the Fighting Sioux nickname for their sports teams, despite the tribe's formal opposition,” the letter from Cheyenne River officials states.




What would happen if the "white" ND public inundated the Standing Rock Sioux Veteran's board with calls expressing oppostion to the higher than national and state averages of unemployment, unwed pregnancies, high school dropouts, alcoholism, and chronic health care issues such as diabetes of this state's Sioux tribe and other Native American tribes? When is the Native American leadership in this state going to start addressing the social and economic issues of multiple generations that have plagued it's own people? It is always easier to point the finger at someone or something else as the cause for it's own ills. Regardless of what happens to the Sioux logo issue, this state's Native American population has nothing or no one to blame for their own problems other than themselves. The lack of personal responsibility and accountablility runs rampent on our state's reservations and the removal of the Sioux nickname and logo won't chang that! Hostile and abusive?? That's is my feeling towards this state's Native American population as they continue to take from the state and federal government's coffers instead of trying to make a way for themselves!



wow. so you think that after a stone age tribe is nearly wiped out, has it's land taken away, it's way of life completely changed, introduced to outside influences like drugs, alcohol, fast food, and TV, faced incredible racism, forced to live on a reservation on land no one wanted without private property rights, denied citizenship for a hundred years should come out of all that and fix all it's problems in a few short years. Heck, if they were that good, they would have beaten the white man, and not lost the Indian wars.

In fact, before the white man came here, they didn't have to worry about unemployment, unwed pregnancies, high school dropouts, alcoholism, and chronic health care issues such as diabetes, because these problems didn't exist for them. They were brought to them by white people, and unfortunately, they haven't solved all those issues yet.
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Posted 08 September 2007 - 10:11 PM

So, as a first step to amends, and to eliminate the problems brought by white people, the land the University of Minnesota - Twin Cities sits on should be given back to the Sioux.

There's a treaty that says everything west of the Mississippi in that area was to belong to the Sioux. PCM posted the details here a while back.
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Posted 08 September 2007 - 11:28 PM

View PostThe Sicatoka, on Sep 8 2007, 11:11 PM, said:

So, as a first step to amends, and to eliminate the problems brought by white people, the land the University of Minnesota - Twin Cities sits on should be given back to the Sioux.

There's a treaty that says everything west of the Mississippi in that area was to belong to the Sioux. PCM posted the details here a while back.


They can have the West bank, all that's over there is a law library and some liberal arts buildings, with bad modern architecture. The majority of the U of M sits on the East bank of the Mississippi.

You must have gotten your geology lessons from Miss South Carolina Teen.

I think as the first step the U of M should do something symbolic, like refusing to play sporting events against teams that knowing use "hostile and abusive" nicknames. That should be more than enough of a sacrifice to make amends.
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Post icon  Posted 08 September 2007 - 11:49 PM

View Posthappy, on Sep 8 2007, 11:28 PM, said:

I think as the first step the U of M should do something symbolic, like refusing to play sporting events against teams that knowing use "hostile and abusive" nicknames. That should be more than enough of a sacrifice to make amends.


What about all the Sioux that don't care about sports? I hardly think they'll be satisfied.
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Posted 09 September 2007 - 10:37 AM

View Posthappy, on Sep 8 2007, 11:28 PM, said:

View PostThe Sicatoka, on Sep 8 2007, 11:11 PM, said:

So, as a first step to amends, and to eliminate the problems brought by white people, the land the University of Minnesota - Twin Cities sits on should be given back to the Sioux.

There's a treaty that says everything west of the Mississippi in that area was to belong to the Sioux. PCM posted the details here a while back.


They can have the West bank, all that's over there is a law library and some liberal arts buildings, with bad modern architecture. The majority of the U of M sits on the East bank of the Mississippi.

You must have gotten your geology lessons from Miss South Carolina Teen.

I think as the first step the U of M should do something symbolic, like refusing to play sporting events against teams that knowing use "hostile and abusive" nicknames. That should be more than enough of a sacrifice to make amends.
Yappy - it's "geography" not "geology" and it's "knowingly" not "knowing". Looks like your reputation as an ignorant jackass is well deserved.
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Posted 09 September 2007 - 02:30 PM

View Posthappy, on Sep 8 2007, 11:28 PM, said:

View PostThe Sicatoka, on Sep 8 2007, 11:11 PM, said:

So, as a first step to amends, and to eliminate the problems brought by white people, the land the University of Minnesota - Twin Cities sits on should be given back to the Sioux.

There's a treaty that says everything west of the Mississippi in that area was to belong to the Sioux. PCM posted the details here a while back.


They can have the West bank, all that's over there is a law library and some liberal arts buildings, with bad modern architecture. The majority of the U of M sits on the East bank of the Mississippi.

You must have gotten your geology lessons from Miss South Carolina Teen.

I think as the first step the U of M should do something symbolic, like refusing to play sporting events against teams that knowing use "hostile and abusive" nicknames. That should be more than enough of a sacrifice to make amends.


Bahahaha! Classic.
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Posted 09 September 2007 - 11:14 PM

View Posthappy, on Sep 8 2007, 11:28 PM, said:

They can have the West bank, all that's over there is a law library and some liberal arts buildings, with bad modern architecture.


If it's so inconsequential, get it done.
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Posted 10 September 2007 - 08:29 AM

View Posthappy, on Sep 8 2007, 09:01 PM, said:

View PostOxbow6, on Aug 30 2007, 10:41 AM, said:

View Postbincitysioux, on Aug 30 2007, 07:18 AM, said:

UND NICKNAME: Group rescinds support

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Members of the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation's Veterans' Group board voted 3-2 Wednesday night to rescind their two-day-old support for UND's Fighting Sioux nickname and logo.

The board voted unanimously to support the nickname during a meeting Monday, but board members later were inundated with calls from Standing Rock veterans and other tribe members expressing opposition to the nickname, said Ed Black Cloud, the board's acting chairman.

“There were a lot of things we didn't know about when we made that motion,” Black Cloud said, later adding, “we didn't know about the treatment of Indian students (at UND).”




Cheyenne River Sioux tribe writes to Kupchella

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In a letter sent Friday to UND President Charles Kupchella, leaders of the Cheyenne River (S.D.) Sioux Tribe distanced themselves from enrolled member Sam Dupris and reaffirmed the tribe's opposition to UND's Fighting Sioux nickname and logo.

“The tribe is concerned about reports that UND and the Ralph Engelstad Arena may be utilizing Mr. Sam Dupris as an agent to garner support for their use of the Fighting Sioux nickname for their sports teams, despite the tribe's formal opposition,” the letter from Cheyenne River officials states.




What would happen if the "white" ND public inundated the Standing Rock Sioux Veteran's board with calls expressing oppostion to the higher than national and state averages of unemployment, unwed pregnancies, high school dropouts, alcoholism, and chronic health care issues such as diabetes of this state's Sioux tribe and other Native American tribes? When is the Native American leadership in this state going to start addressing the social and economic issues of multiple generations that have plagued it's own people? It is always easier to point the finger at someone or something else as the cause for it's own ills. Regardless of what happens to the Sioux logo issue, this state's Native American population has nothing or no one to blame for their own problems other than themselves. The lack of personal responsibility and accountablility runs rampent on our state's reservations and the removal of the Sioux nickname and logo won't chang that! Hostile and abusive?? That's is my feeling towards this state's Native American population as they continue to take from the state and federal government's coffers instead of trying to make a way for themselves!



wow. so you think that after a stone age tribe is nearly wiped out, has it's land taken away, it's way of life completely changed, introduced to outside influences like drugs, alcohol, fast food, and TV, faced incredible racism, forced to live on a reservation on land no one wanted without private property rights, denied citizenship for a hundred years should come out of all that and fix all it's problems in a few short years. Heck, if they were that good, they would have beaten the white man, and not lost the Indian wars.

In fact, before the white man came here, they didn't have to worry about unemployment, unwed pregnancies, high school dropouts, alcoholism, and chronic health care issues such as diabetes, because these problems didn't exist for them. They were brought to them by white people, and unfortunately, they haven't solved all those issues yet.


Wow, the wiping out of tribes, the taking away of land, the changing of ways of life didn't happen as between warring, conquering/conquered tribes before the white man came? There were vicious tribal wars even before the terrible white man came to town. As far as I know, I've never forced drugs or alcohol or fast food down any minority person's throat. Any society has extremely negative influences that it is "introduced" to. They still don't have to worry about unemployment, unwed pregnancies, high school dropouts, alcoholism and all of the other issues. They themselves can solve those issues. Everyone faces those issues and they are not limited to just indians. No one causes these issues for them regardless of what misguided individuals like Happy indicate. Where would people like Happy and the rest of the PCers be without the gift of victimology? IF they actually had to think and reason and discuss issues with civility rather than victim this and blame that and racist this and white man that, what would they do? They'd have nervous breakdowns, probably, from the shock to their systems. They are truly pathetic. One does not have to read the classics these days to understand Pathos. One only needs to witness the ravings of the PC racist elites to get it.
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Posted 10 September 2007 - 09:23 AM

View PostChewey, on Sep 10 2007, 08:29 AM, said:

Wow, the wiping out of tribes, the taking away of land, the changing of ways of life didn't happen as between warring, conquering/conquered tribes before the white man came?....



Please-do not interrupt the agenda.

:D



(Actually, its probably more accurate to say "do not interrupt the trolling".)
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Post icon  Posted 10 September 2007 - 02:07 PM

View PostChewey, on Sep 10 2007, 07:29 AM, said:

Where would people like Happy and the rest of the PCers be without the gift of victimology?

IMHO

Happy could give a rat's a$$ about the 'plight' of the NA. He's only a trollin' Goofy fan.
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Posted 10 September 2007 - 06:12 PM

View PostChewey, on Sep 10 2007, 09:29 AM, said:

View Posthappy, on Sep 8 2007, 09:01 PM, said:

View PostOxbow6, on Aug 30 2007, 10:41 AM, said:

View Postbincitysioux, on Aug 30 2007, 07:18 AM, said:

UND NICKNAME: Group rescinds support

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Members of the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation's Veterans' Group board voted 3-2 Wednesday night to rescind their two-day-old support for UND's Fighting Sioux nickname and logo.

The board voted unanimously to support the nickname during a meeting Monday, but board members later were inundated with calls from Standing Rock veterans and other tribe members expressing opposition to the nickname, said Ed Black Cloud, the board's acting chairman.

“There were a lot of things we didn't know about when we made that motion,” Black Cloud said, later adding, “we didn't know about the treatment of Indian students (at UND).”




Cheyenne River Sioux tribe writes to Kupchella

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In a letter sent Friday to UND President Charles Kupchella, leaders of the Cheyenne River (S.D.) Sioux Tribe distanced themselves from enrolled member Sam Dupris and reaffirmed the tribe's opposition to UND's Fighting Sioux nickname and logo.

“The tribe is concerned about reports that UND and the Ralph Engelstad Arena may be utilizing Mr. Sam Dupris as an agent to garner support for their use of the Fighting Sioux nickname for their sports teams, despite the tribe's formal opposition,” the letter from Cheyenne River officials states.




What would happen if the "white" ND public inundated the Standing Rock Sioux Veteran's board with calls expressing oppostion to the higher than national and state averages of unemployment, unwed pregnancies, high school dropouts, alcoholism, and chronic health care issues such as diabetes of this state's Sioux tribe and other Native American tribes? When is the Native American leadership in this state going to start addressing the social and economic issues of multiple generations that have plagued it's own people? It is always easier to point the finger at someone or something else as the cause for it's own ills. Regardless of what happens to the Sioux logo issue, this state's Native American population has nothing or no one to blame for their own problems other than themselves. The lack of personal responsibility and accountablility runs rampent on our state's reservations and the removal of the Sioux nickname and logo won't chang that! Hostile and abusive?? That's is my feeling towards this state's Native American population as they continue to take from the state and federal government's coffers instead of trying to make a way for themselves!



wow. so you think that after a stone age tribe is nearly wiped out, has it's land taken away, it's way of life completely changed, introduced to outside influences like drugs, alcohol, fast food, and TV, faced incredible racism, forced to live on a reservation on land no one wanted without private property rights, denied citizenship for a hundred years should come out of all that and fix all it's problems in a few short years. Heck, if they were that good, they would have beaten the white man, and not lost the Indian wars.

In fact, before the white man came here, they didn't have to worry about unemployment, unwed pregnancies, high school dropouts, alcoholism, and chronic health care issues such as diabetes, because these problems didn't exist for them. They were brought to them by white people, and unfortunately, they haven't solved all those issues yet.


Wow, the wiping out of tribes, the taking away of land, the changing of ways of life didn't happen as between warring, conquering/conquered tribes before the white man came? There were vicious tribal wars even before the terrible white man came to town. As far as I know, I've never forced drugs or alcohol or fast food down any minority person's throat. Any society has extremely negative influences that it is "introduced" to. They still don't have to worry about unemployment, unwed pregnancies, high school dropouts, alcoholism and all of the other issues. They themselves can solve those issues. Everyone faces those issues and they are not limited to just indians. No one causes these issues for them regardless of what misguided individuals like Happy indicate. Where would people like Happy and the rest of the PCers be without the gift of victimology? IF they actually had to think and reason and discuss issues with civility rather than victim this and blame that and racist this and white man that, what would they do? They'd have nervous breakdowns, probably, from the shock to their systems. They are truly pathetic. One does not have to read the classics these days to understand Pathos. One only needs to witness the ravings of the PC racist elites to get it.


Just for fun, why don't you explain to me how being forced onto a reservation against their will did not cause some issues. I realize you did not personally do this yourself, and for that I forgive you, but just as you can't really blame the Jews for coming out of WW2 a little worse for wear, you really can't blame these Indians from being completely defeated, screwed over, forced onto reservations and then not being very successful at completely adopting, and succeeding at white man's culture in just a few generations. When Russians were forced to go onto collective farms, they too became more or less failures, and they weren't even Indians.

We should be very thankful that young Indians don't believe in suicide bombing, cause I can guess at who their targets would be.
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Posted 10 September 2007 - 07:11 PM

View Posthappy, on Sep 10 2007, 06:12 PM, said:

View PostChewey, on Sep 10 2007, 09:29 AM, said:

View Posthappy, on Sep 8 2007, 09:01 PM, said:

View PostOxbow6, on Aug 30 2007, 10:41 AM, said:

View Postbincitysioux, on Aug 30 2007, 07:18 AM, said:

UND NICKNAME: Group rescinds support

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Members of the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation's Veterans' Group board voted 3-2 Wednesday night to rescind their two-day-old support for UND's Fighting Sioux nickname and logo.

The board voted unanimously to support the nickname during a meeting Monday, but board members later were inundated with calls from Standing Rock veterans and other tribe members expressing opposition to the nickname, said Ed Black Cloud, the board's acting chairman.

“There were a lot of things we didn't know about when we made that motion,” Black Cloud said, later adding, “we didn't know about the treatment of Indian students (at UND).”




Cheyenne River Sioux tribe writes to Kupchella

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In a letter sent Friday to UND President Charles Kupchella, leaders of the Cheyenne River (S.D.) Sioux Tribe distanced themselves from enrolled member Sam Dupris and reaffirmed the tribe's opposition to UND's Fighting Sioux nickname and logo.

“The tribe is concerned about reports that UND and the Ralph Engelstad Arena may be utilizing Mr. Sam Dupris as an agent to garner support for their use of the Fighting Sioux nickname for their sports teams, despite the tribe's formal opposition,” the letter from Cheyenne River officials states.




What would happen if the "white" ND public inundated the Standing Rock Sioux Veteran's board with calls expressing oppostion to the higher than national and state averages of unemployment, unwed pregnancies, high school dropouts, alcoholism, and chronic health care issues such as diabetes of this state's Sioux tribe and other Native American tribes? When is the Native American leadership in this state going to start addressing the social and economic issues of multiple generations that have plagued it's own people? It is always easier to point the finger at someone or something else as the cause for it's own ills. Regardless of what happens to the Sioux logo issue, this state's Native American population has nothing or no one to blame for their own problems other than themselves. The lack of personal responsibility and accountablility runs rampent on our state's reservations and the removal of the Sioux nickname and logo won't chang that! Hostile and abusive?? That's is my feeling towards this state's Native American population as they continue to take from the state and federal government's coffers instead of trying to make a way for themselves!



wow. so you think that after a stone age tribe is nearly wiped out, has it's land taken away, it's way of life completely changed, introduced to outside influences like drugs, alcohol, fast food, and TV, faced incredible racism, forced to live on a reservation on land no one wanted without private property rights, denied citizenship for a hundred years should come out of all that and fix all it's problems in a few short years. Heck, if they were that good, they would have beaten the white man, and not lost the Indian wars.

In fact, before the white man came here, they didn't have to worry about unemployment, unwed pregnancies, high school dropouts, alcoholism, and chronic health care issues such as diabetes, because these problems didn't exist for them. They were brought to them by white people, and unfortunately, they haven't solved all those issues yet.


Wow, the wiping out of tribes, the taking away of land, the changing of ways of life didn't happen as between warring, conquering/conquered tribes before the white man came? There were vicious tribal wars even before the terrible white man came to town. As far as I know, I've never forced drugs or alcohol or fast food down any minority person's throat. Any society has extremely negative influences that it is "introduced" to. They still don't have to worry about unemployment, unwed pregnancies, high school dropouts, alcoholism and all of the other issues. They themselves can solve those issues. Everyone faces those issues and they are not limited to just indians. No one causes these issues for them regardless of what misguided individuals like Happy indicate. Where would people like Happy and the rest of the PCers be without the gift of victimology? IF they actually had to think and reason and discuss issues with civility rather than victim this and blame that and racist this and white man that, what would they do? They'd have nervous breakdowns, probably, from the shock to their systems. They are truly pathetic. One does not have to read the classics these days to understand Pathos. One only needs to witness the ravings of the PC racist elites to get it.


Just for fun, why don't you explain to me how being forced onto a reservation against their will did not cause some issues. I realize you did not personally do this yourself, and for that I forgive you, but just as you can't really blame the Jews for coming out of WW2 a little worse for wear, you really can't blame these Indians from being completely defeated, screwed over, forced onto reservations and then not being very successful at completely adopting, and succeeding at white man's culture in just a few generations. When Russians were forced to go onto collective farms, they too became more or less failures, and they weren't even Indians.

We should be very thankful that young Indians don't believe in suicide bombing, cause I can guess at who their targets would be.


This is turning into a very touchy subject for a lot of people. Rather than argue about how they compare to other groups that have been in this situation, why not try to figure out where these problems are stemming from, why they are happening at higher rates to these people, and what can be done to fix it. I can't be the one to say if the name is offending, that is something only each individual person can decide for him/herself. I do feel however that this whole nickname issue is being unintentionally used as a shield, so the problems dont have to be dealt with right now. What happens if the nickname does get changed? How will that change any of these problems that the native americans are facing? I am a supporter of the nickname and feel that it gives Native Americans a great deal of opportunity to get the word out. It also gives the sioux great educational opportunites. What other culture has over 23 classes, groups, and clubs, specifically devoted to them? Why not use this to move up, get an education, and turn things around? To me the big problem still stems from the reservations. Things have been gradually getting worse from generation to generation and have gotten to the point where in some cases, it is even expected to stay the same? There hasn't been one right answer for generations now, and I feel the key to success is to educate the children. Let them know of the opportunities they have, offer more scholarships, extra grants, and more opportunity. If they know there is opportunity out there for them to succeed, that could be the first step. What better way to accompolish this than to use the schools educational opportunity?
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Posted 10 September 2007 - 08:40 PM

Good post. I have yet to get an answer to my questions.

How is the Fighting Sioux name and logo creating or contributing to the problems of the Sioux Nation???

How is the University of North Dakota, an institution of higher learning, preventing any Native American from receiving an education? As previously stated, the NA programs at UND have been set up to help Native Americans succeed in getting a degree in their major of choice.

I received a pleasant surprise today. The daughter of a Navajo friend I made here on the Navajo Nation told me today that she is going to apply to UND. She wants to be an Anesthesiologist. I had spoked about UND and all the programs available to Native Americans. She thinks it would be a good fit for her.

I'm worried though. I'm concerned that some zealot will get a hold of her and try to brainwash her to their way of thinking.
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Posted 10 September 2007 - 08:52 PM

View PostSioux-cia, on Sep 10 2007, 08:40 PM, said:

Good post. I have yet to get an answer to my questions.

How is the Fighting Sioux name and logo creating or contributing to the problems of the Sioux Nation???

How is the University of North Dakota, an institution of higher learning, preventing any Native American from receiving an education? As previously stated, the NA programs at UND have been set up to help Native Americans succeed in getting a degree in their major of choice.

I received a pleasant surprise today. The daughter of a Navajo friend I made here on the Navajo Nation told me today that she is going to apply to UND. She wants to be an Anesthesiologist. I had spoked about UND and all the programs available to Native Americans. She thinks it would be a good fit for her.

I'm worried though. I'm concerned that some zealot will get a hold of her and try to brainwash her to their way of thinking.

I really do the nickname is used as an excuse so they dont have to focus on all the other problems that are going on. I think the main problem is the way some of these kids are raised. Their being told that they can't succeed because there parents didn't have the opportunity, or something went wrong. The hardest problems to change are the ones that are passed down through generations and pushed do the side, and this is just pushing the problem to the side by using the nickname as a shield.
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Posted 10 September 2007 - 10:11 PM

NCAA asks judge to reconsider order, claims UND misled agency

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In its "Motion for Partial Reconsideration," the NCAA argues UND itself may have violated NCAA bylaws, making it ineligible to bring its case.

The motion accuses UND of misleading the NCAA during its administrative appeals process by consistently claiming the Spirit Lake Sioux Nation supports UND's continued use of its nickname.

A 2000 Spirit Lake Tribal Council resolution states: "as long as something positive comes from this controversy, (the tribe is) not opposed to keeping the 'Sioux' name and present logo at UND."

UND has consistently maintained that the resolution should be read as a vote of support for the nickname, but tribal officials did not respond to several NCAA requests for clarification on the tribe's position.

In an Aug. 13 interview with the Herald, Spirit Lake Tribal Chairwoman Myra Pearson said she reads the resolution as neither supporting nor opposing the nickname. She said she does not expect the tribal council to clarify its position or to reconsider the nickname issue.

"Throughout the appeal process at issue, plaintiff consistently maintained that it had the endorsement and support of the Spirit Lake Nation," the NCAA motion states. "Those claims are also an integral part of the pending litigation. . . . Based on recent developments, it is becoming increasingly difficult to accept that plaintiff could have made these claims in good faith, much less 'utmost good faith.'"



The NCAA seems to be really grasping for straws here. They're stating UND misled the NCAA with "support" from the Spirit Lake resolution, yet the NCAA rejected the Spirit Lake resolution themselves. Obtuse logic by the NCAA.
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Posted 10 September 2007 - 10:28 PM

This seems like a desparation move to me. Classic red herring.
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Posted 10 September 2007 - 10:47 PM

View PostPCM, on Sep 10 2007, 10:28 PM, said:

This seems like a desparation move to me. Classic red herring.

Desperation is exactly how I read the article. They are throwing anything that they think could stick.
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Posted 10 September 2007 - 10:48 PM

One thing I would like to mention. Many of us have asked the question about how changing the nickname will help solve the problems on the reservations. And we have been frustrated that we don't seem to get tribal leadership to care enough to help us out.

I think it bears mention that in a recent quote, Myra Pearson said they wouldn't revisit the nickname issue because they had more pressing problems to deal with.

1. Yes, that's a bummer for Fighting Sioux fans because we aren't getting the warm fuzzy we need.

2. That should be a blow against the NCAA. It would appear tribal leadership is sending the message that this nickname issue isn't that big of a deal to them. Certainly not a big enough deal to spend time denouncing.
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Posted 11 September 2007 - 02:41 AM

View PostPCM, on Sep 10 2007, 11:28 PM, said:

This seems like a desparation move to me. Classic red herring.


I think PCM is right, I think the NCAA realizes with out that:
The NCAA might have no chance of winning in court...

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In its "Motion for Partial Reconsideration," the NCAA argues UND itself may have violated NCAA bylaws, making it ineligible to bring its case.

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