[ScottM]

Anybody who thinks Doreen Yellow Bird is a credible source for anything beyond delusional whining really needs a reality break.

[Goon]

ScottM, on Nov 29 2006, 05:45 PM, said:

Anybody who thinks Doreen Yellow Bird is a credible source for anything beyond delusional whining really needs a reality break.

Credible isn't one thing I would accuse her of being.

[GeauxSioux]

Indian tribe helps develop Spokane logo

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While many teams with Indian nicknames, logos or mascots are criticized as culturally insensitive, the Spokane Indians unveiled their new logo featuring eagle feathers Wednesday with the blessing of their namesake tribe.

If Indian nicknames are so insensitive, why do tribes such as the Spokane Indians give their blessing? Maybe DYB can answer that one.

[Sioux-cia]

undsportsfan, on Nov 29 2006, 03:15 PM, said:

http://www.grandfork...ex.cfm?id=18694

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The Sioux, as a group, are not who they're cheering for.

FINALLY!!!!!!!! How many times have we said this!?! We are cheering for the athletes that are wearing the Fighting Sioux name and logo. A name that was chosen because the Sioux Indians of old are believed to have been courageous, fearless, honorable and a force to be dealth with. We are NOT honoring the Sioux of today. We are NOT cheering for living Native Americans who are Sioux. We are NOT disgracing the name of the Sioux of yesterday when we cheer our Fighting Sioux athletes on the victory. We did NOT choose the name Fighting Sioux because we hate Native Americans or because we disrespect the Sioux of times gone by!

And when our opponents yell, 'Sioux suck' they are NOT referring to Native Americans who are Sioux. They are referring to the athletes who are wearing the Fighting Sioux name and logo.

Finally, Doreen, you get it!!! We are NOT cheering for the 'Sioux, as a group...' Damn, woman, it took you long enough!!!

[Chewey]

"Most of the Lakota/Dakota/Nakota tribal nations have passed resolutions saying they don't want UND to use "Fighting Sioux," not because they want to upset the university system but because around the name comes fighting, acrimony, hostility and even hate as is happening this week."


Who are the ones instigating the acrimony, hostility, etc.? You guessed it. It's the PC whiners. If people who are reasonable actually resist and fight back legally against PC oppression, they cause hostility? The same old hackneyed logic: If you disagree with me, you "hate" me. If you want to use the FS nickname, you disrespect people and cause "pain and suffering." I wish we could get Christ resurrect Rod Serling.

What these people forget, other than their sanity, is that UND has legal trademark rights to the nickname

[siouxrunner]

Ever seen anything like this at a UND sporting event? Me neither. Maybe our fans should try to be more like FSU's fans, since they don't promote a "hostile and abusive" atmosphere at all...

[undsportsfan]

siouxrunner, on Nov 30 2006, 09:46 AM, said:

Ever seen anything like this at a UND sporting event? Me neither. Maybe our fans should try to be more like FSU's fans, since they don't promote a "hostile and abusive" atmosphere at all...

there have been photos taken of students dressing like this on UND campus... and back in 1999-2000 i remember a big deal about some fraternity guys doing it.

[PCM]

undsportsfan, on Nov 30 2006, 02:44 PM, said:

there have been photos taken of students dressing like this on UND campus... and back in 1999-2000 i remember a big deal about some fraternity guys doing it.

Where are these photos? I've lived in Grand Forks since 1992 and have never seen anyone do anything like this, even in a photo.

[Air Force One]

undsportsfan, on Nov 30 2006, 02:44 PM, said:

there have been photos taken of students dressing like this on UND campus... and back in 1999-2000 i remember a big deal about some fraternity guys doing it.

You actually have seen dated photos of this or you were told about some photo with an approximate date?Please share them, that's all we have ever asked, to bring the proof.

[yekcoh]

undsportsfan, on Nov 30 2006, 02:44 PM, said:

there have been photos taken of students dressing like this on UND campus... and back in 1999-2000 i remember a big deal about some fraternity guys doing it.

I find it hard to believe that if there truely were pictures like this around, that someone would not have scanned them and posted somewhere to show the world how awful it is on campus at UND. BRIDGES comes to mind.

I went to UND in 1976. I never once saw anyone dress up as an Indian. I have been going to football and hockey games at UND for years and have NEVER seen anyone in feathers or warpaint or anything like that. I have only seen respect for the SIOUX , all Native Americans, and ALL races in general. I would think that if anyone were to show up at a game at UND like this, that they would be asked to leave.

[Sioux-cia]

undsportsfan, on Nov 30 2006, 03:44 PM, said:

there have been photos taken of students dressing like this on UND campus... and back in 1999-2000 i remember a big deal about some fraternity guys doing it.

And they are posted where? Why weren't the photo's provided to the NC$$ by the same Name Change group that gave them the decades old 'evidence? Mayhap they don't exist?

Same old stuff, "Someone told me; I know I read it somewhere; I know someone who saw it;" blah blah blah.

[ScottM]

Sioux-cia, on Nov 30 2006, 04:07 PM, said:

undsportsfan, on Nov 30 2006, 03:44 PM, said:

there have been photos taken of students dressing like this on UND campus... and back in 1999-2000 i remember a big deal about some fraternity guys doing it.

And they are posted where? Why weren't the photo's provided to the NC$$ by the same Name Change group that gave them the decades old 'evidence? Mayhap they don't exist?

Same old stuff, "Someone told me; I know I read it somewhere; I know someone who saw it;" blah blah blah.

Which we all know is infinitely more credible than "This one guy in my class who heard it from his third cousin's best friend's brother who passed through UND on his way to Fargo about 20 years ago."

[Siouxmama]

Air Force One, on Nov 30 2006, 03:33 PM, said:

undsportsfan, on Nov 30 2006, 02:44 PM, said:

there have been photos taken of students dressing like this on UND campus... and back in 1999-2000 i remember a big deal about some fraternity guys doing it.

You actually have seen dated photos of this or you were told about some photo with an approximate date?Please share them, that's all we have ever asked, to bring the proof.

I asked my son (a fraternity member) if he had ever heard of this happening. It was a couple of years before he joined a fraternity, but he hadn't ever heard of anything like this. I have my doubts, too. I think the "anchor run" is closer to the top of their "things to do" list, than dress like an indian.

[Riverman]

Sioux-cia, on Nov 30 2006, 06:07 PM, said:

And they are posted where? Why weren't the photo's provided to the NC$$ by the same Name Change group that gave them the decades old 'evidence? Mayhap they don't exist?

IMHO,never going to see it either.

Sort of like, "Psychic wins Lottery"

[GeauxSioux]

From tomorrow's Dakota Stupid: The DS View: Dartmouth apology

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The Dartmouth furor has proven one thing: There is no denying that the Sioux logo has garnered negative national attention. It was the top story on ESPN.com and was featured in the Boston Globe. Judging by letters to the editor on the Web site for Dartmouth's daily school newspaper, The Dartmouth, our logo has caused division on another campus.

The Dartmouth controversy shows that the "Fighting Sioux" debate is about more than just UND; it's about discrimination in general. Continuing our losing battle to preserve an outdated name is only making UND look bad, not like the top-tier institution our administrators claim we are becoming.

Sure someone on a campus a thousand miles away stirs up a hornet's nest on UND's campus and somehow UND is to blame. The AD even admitted that the statements were aimed at her campus over local incidents. Come on DS folks grow a brain.

[CVCL]

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Continuing our losing battle to preserve an outdated name is only making UND look bad, not like the top-tier institution our administrators claim we are becoming.

I'd guess that UND is already there, not just becoming.

[HockeyMom]

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Judging by letters to the editor on the Web site for Dartmouth's daily school newspaper, The Dartmouth, our logo has caused division on another campus.

Reading that makes me want to throw up. COME ON! It's obvious that Dartmouth has a whole pile of problems and tried to take some of the heat off of themselves and put it on us-if anything it has brought their problems to light and everyone is seeing how much better [sarcasm] off everyone is for it, and how all of their problems are gone, because they have dropped their 'hostile and abusive' nickname and logo.

I'm sorry, but I think that this statement is just like saying it's someone's fault-by the way that they dress- that they got raped.

[ScottM]

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Judging by letters to the editor on the Web site for Dartmouth's daily school newspaper, The Dartmouth, our logo has caused division on another campus.

So, from the Stupid's point of view debate equates to "division". Typical of the name change mentality. Anybody who questions or opposes a name change creates division. Moreover, it's not the Sioux name/logo that created this division, so much as the narrow, intolerant objectives of a certain, tiny group of people who think they should dictate others' thoughts, values and beliefs.

[PCM]

From the Harvard Crimson:

No Sense In Anti-Mascot Crusade

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The best move Harvard athletic director Bob Scalise made last week wasn’t reappointing Tim Murphy as the school’s football coach. That was something of a no-brainer after Murphy helmed the Crimson during another winning season and emerged validated from the myriad disciplinary issues that cropped up around the squad during the summer and early fall.

No, the best thing Scalise has done recently is to do nothing at all. That’s compared to Dartmouth AD Josie Harper, who recently issued a written public apology in the campus newspaper to “the Native American community, and the Dartmouth community as a whole,” for scheduling a men’s hockey game between the Big Green and the University of North Dakota Fighting Sioux. According to Harper, “UND’s position,” i.e. having a nickname and mascot that invoke a native tribe, is “offensive and wrong.”

Groan.

At heart, this is an issue of 21st century political correctness. The history of unjust dealings with Native Americans is utterly reprehensible and there’s an impulse to try to make amends now, post-violence, by outlawing stereotypical depictions of indigenous culture.

[ScottM]

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Harper and Dartmouth’s athletic department are falling in step with the attitude of the self-righteous NCAA (don’t get me started on its simultaneous touting of amateurism and commercial exploitation of college athletes), supposing moral superiority in condemning UND and misdirecting its energies towards social justice when it should be trying to improve its crummy football and basketball teams.

Classic.