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Early departures 2017

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31 minutes ago, Fighting Sioux 23 said:

What information are you basing this on?  Hope and a prayer?

FWIW, I have a few connections high up within the DU athletic department who have told me that Terry is leaning towards coming back and Borgstrom is 50/50.  Gambrell is leaning towards leaving, and nobody seems to have any indication on what Jaillet is going to do.  Of course, they all four could sign, but there is certainly optimism within DU's program that 3 of the 4 will come back with an outside chance at getting all four back.

So things have changed a little bit with Borgstrom.  A couple of weeks ago the hockey pundits made it sound like he was very likely to come back.  If Montgomery does decide to leave, that will be a significant factor in some of these players decisions.  You just won a Natty, new coach coming in with a new personality and possible philosophical differences.  Life probably does not get better at DU than it was this past year.  I have no doubt they will continue to field a strong team, however they are losing a significant number of players and talent even without early departures.

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3 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Based on what has happened recently to perennial college hockey powers, it is not unreasonable to expect underclassmen to sign early. Especially after winning an NCAA title. These NHL teams are always sniffing around come playoff time in March and April, trying to convince their underclassmen draftees to sign as soon as their team is eliminated from contention. It is becoming harder than ever for these kids to say no to that kind of pressure.

I think you're trying to use last year's Sioux team too much. They were hit significantly harder by early departures than most previous NCAA champions.  Previous 7 NCAA Champion Early Departures:

2015-2016 North Dakota - 4 Juniors, 1 Sophomore

2014-2015 Providence - 2 Juniors

2013-2014 Union - 1 Junior

2012-2013 Yale - 0 early departures

2011-2012 Boston College - 2 Juniors

2010-2011 Minnesota Duluth - 1 Junior, 1 Freshman

2009-2010 Boston College - 0 early departures.

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1 hour ago, Fighting Sioux 23 said:

What information are you basing this on?  Hope and a prayer?

FWIW, I have a few connections high up within the DU athletic department who have told me that Terry is leaning towards coming back and Borgstrom is 50/50.  Gambrell is leaning towards leaving, and nobody seems to have any indication on what Jaillet is going to do.  Of course, they all four could sign, but there is certainly optimism within DU's program that 3 of the 4 will come back with an outside chance at getting all four back.

I think Jaillet is waiting for an offer from Edmonton or Calgary.

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3 hours ago, Fighting Sioux 23 said:

I think you're trying to use last year's Sioux team too much. They were hit significantly harder by early departures than most previous NCAA champions.  Previous 7 NCAA Champion Early Departures:

2015-2016 North Dakota - 4 Juniors, 1 Sophomore

2014-2015 Providence - 2 Juniors

2013-2014 Union - 1 Junior

2012-2013 Yale - 0 early departures

2011-2012 Boston College - 2 Juniors

2010-2011 Minnesota Duluth - 1 Junior, 1 Freshman

2009-2010 Boston College - 0 early departures.

I said college hockey powers (plural), not just UND. And you can't just focus on the NCAA title teams, look at some of the early departures for teams that made it to the Frozen Four. Last year's Boston College team lost a ton of players and didn't make the tournament this year. This year's Boston University team lost most (if not all) their "diaper dandies" after Duluth beat them in OT in the regional final in Fargo.

I wish early signings would not be so prevalent in college hockey, but it is what it is.

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16 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

I said college hockey powers (plural), not just UND. And you can't just focus on the NCAA title teams, look at some of the early departures for teams that made it to the Frozen Four. Last year's Boston College team lost a ton of players and didn't make the tournament this year. This year's Boston University team lost most (if not all) their "diaper dandies" after Duluth beat them in OT in the regional final in Fargo.

I wish early signings would not be so prevalent in college hockey, but it is what it is.

My problem with your argument is that you are using a couple of relatively rare (and quite different) situations to state that this particular Denver team will have several early departures.  I just have not seen anything to suggest that is true (and indeed I have heard from well connected sources that DU does not expect several early departures).  I focused on NCAA title teams to highlight the problem with your argument where you said losing several players early is especially true with NCAA title winners.  That is simply not fact.

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Found the following comment under one of Schlossman's blog posts.

"Random comment but it appears Matt Kierstad will be coming in next year. Collin Adams tweeted about him and Kierstad being roomies (this is around the time of year when schools send emails to students letting them know their roommate assignments)"

Kierstad retweeted Adams post, so I assume he is coming next year? Could just mean a one day thing as well. Bast (96) and Rieger (96) have to come in no matter what. Does anyone know if Kierstad is going to be here next year? If that's the case, is it possible someone else is leaving like Wolanin or one of the two freshman dman that are signed aren't? 

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17 hours ago, fsioux said:

So things have changed a little bit with Borgstrom.  A couple of weeks ago the hockey pundits made it sound like he was very likely to come back.  If Montgomery does decide to leave, that will be a significant factor in some of these players decisions.  You just won a Natty, new coach coming in with a new personality and possible philosophical differences.  Life probably does not get better at DU than it was this past year.  I have no doubt they will continue to field a strong team, however they are losing a significant number of players and talent even without early departures.

Bjorgstrom and Monty should just go to Florida together.  Win-Win! :)

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21 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

Hefeweizen, bitte! 

Nein, das is Hefeweissbier auf Deutsch.

 

 

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52 minutes ago, southpaw said:

Nein, das is Hefeweissbier auf Deutsch.

The German engineers I took to dinner ordered "hefeweisen" ... of course it was probably understood they wanted beer given where we were. No further comment. :whistling:

Then again, a different night they ordered "liebfraumilch". 

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11 hours ago, AJS said:

Found the following comment under one of Schlossman's blog posts.

"Random comment but it appears Matt Kierstad will be coming in next year. Collin Adams tweeted about him and Kierstad being roomies (this is around the time of year when schools send emails to students letting them know their roommate assignments)"

Kierstad retweeted Adams post, so I assume he is coming next year? Could just mean a one day thing as well. Bast (96) and Rieger (96) have to come in no matter what. Does anyone know if Kierstad is going to be here next year? If that's the case, is it possible someone else is leaving like Wolanin or one of the two freshman dman that are signed aren't? 

I would suspect that maybe Chartrand is not coming back.  His playing time has been non-existent.

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2 hours ago, Snake said:

Bjorgstrom and Monty should just go to Florida together.  Win-Win! :)

Go Cats? :D 

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2 hours ago, southpaw said:

Nein, das ist Hefeweissbier auf Deutsch.

 

 

Der Nähe, aber kein Bier. 

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4 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

Der Nähe, aber kein Bier. 

Ist Bier.
southpaw? Eins. geaux? Eins. 
Drei biere, bitte. 

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1 minute ago, The Sicatoka said:

Ist Bier.
southpaw? Eins. geaux? Eins. 
Drei biere, bitte. 

Zwei fur mich, bitte :)

Und mein lieblingsgetrank ist Dunkel.

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3 minutes ago, southpaw said:

Zwei fur mich, bitte :)

Liebfraumilch fur dich. 

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16 hours ago, AJS said:

Found the following comment under one of Schlossman's blog posts.

"Random comment but it appears Matt Kierstad will be coming in next year. Collin Adams tweeted about him and Kierstad being roomies (this is around the time of year when schools send emails to students letting them know their roommate assignments)"

Kierstad retweeted Adams post, so I assume he is coming next year? Could just mean a one day thing as well. Bast (96) and Rieger (96) have to come in no matter what. Does anyone know if Kierstad is going to be here next year? If that's the case, is it possible someone else is leaving like Wolanin or one of the two freshman dman that are signed aren't? 

I saw that as well...looks like he'll be coming in.  Kind of shocking to come in and battle for a 6th spot, especially how good both him and bast are.  There are always injuries though.

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28 minutes ago, scpa0305 said:

I saw that as well...looks like he'll be coming in.  Kind of shocking to come in and battle for a 6th spot, especially how good both him and bast are.  There are always injuries though.

Anyone know if there are any UND players still deciding on if the are returning or not <<see Wolanin>>. Is Rieger a walk on or getting scholarship $$? I guess it would make sense if Rieger was a walk-on to bring in Bast / Kierstad as the 6 / 7 guys and have Rieger for depth purposes (if Chartland possibly moves on).. I just really, really hope there isn't a potential departure from the 5 returners.

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3 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

Liebfraumilch fur dich. 

Please speak German so that I can understand you:p.

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On ‎4‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 6:58 AM, Snake said:

Bjorgstrom and Monty should just go to Florida together.  Win-Win! :)

Sounds good. 

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https://undhockey.areavoices.com/?p=106674

Montgomery situation, talking about players leaving early, if he were too.

“If my situation was to change, I think they would think long and hard about changing, too,” Montgomery told the Denver Post. “If I was to leave, I know one of those guys for sure is gone.”

It seemed like an odd comment and I didn’t know what to make of it. <-- Schlossman

Definitely sounds like he's trying to leverage a better deal from Denver, but I think he comes off looking terrible.

 

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Reading between the lines, all he's saying is if he went to FLA Borgstrom (FLA draftee) would follow. < shrug > 

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1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

Reading between the lines, all he's saying is if he went to FLA Borgstrom (FLA draftee) would follow. < shrug > 

I suppose Mr. Inside Source (Fighting Sioux 23) could find out what this stuff means.

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55 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

I suppose Mr. Inside Source (Fighting Sioux 23) could find out what this stuff means.

I can ask.  Will you still be snarky if/when I post what I find out?

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Monty knows that Borgstrom is likely NHL ready, and wherever he goes the kid will likely follow.  

IMHO don't think he's trying to get himself an extension at Denver.  He is just being brutally honest with departures if he leaves.  

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9 hours ago, Fighting Sioux 23 said:

I can ask.  Will you still be snarky if/when I post what I find out?

Probably not.

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