Bison06 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 On 12/20/2016 at 10:10 AM, fightingsioux4life said: And the next thing they'll tell us is that they could win the MAC! No one can predict what will happen next year, but I am excited that we are poised to be a part of the playoff conversation for years to come. To be fair, on any given year, I think the FCS champion would likely win the MAC. This year might be an exception with the great run Western Michigan is having, but most years I think I'd pick the FCS champ over the MAC champ in a one game setting. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 3 hours ago, bincitysioux said: I wonder how competitive they will be long term. They were very good for about a 13 year stretch before they left the Big Sky. Other than that brief time period, they have been a pretty poor program regardless of their classification. That 13 year stretch is were they got their big heads (like many Bizon fans now have) and left the BSC, now their waggling their tales on the return! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 3 hours ago, Bison06 said: To be fair, on any given year, I think the FCS champion would likely win the MAC. This year might be an exception with the great run Western Michigan is having, but most years I think I'd pick the FCS champ over the MAC champ in a one game setting. Beating a MAC team once early in a season is fine. Beating MAC teams over the course of a typical 11 game season is quite different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said: Beating a MAC team once early in a season is fine. Beating MAC teams over the course of a typical 11 game season is quite different. Obviously no FCS team has ever played an entire MAC football schedule so both of us are speculating, but NDSU put a butt whooping on the MAC champ, in their house, in 2007 that makes me believe the top of schools in the MAC and the top FCS schools are pretty much the same in terms of competitiveness. http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=272652117 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 3 hours ago, Bison06 said: Obviously no FCS team has ever played an entire MAC football schedule so both of us are speculating, but NDSU put a butt whooping on the MAC champ, in their house, in 2007 that makes me believe the top of schools in the MAC and the top FCS schools are pretty much the same in terms of competitiveness. http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=272652117 The difference isn't talent. It's depth. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDMOORHEAD Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 1 minute ago, geaux_sioux said: The difference isn't talent. It's depth. How many more scholarships do FBS schools get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 1 minute ago, geaux_sioux said: The difference isn't talent. It's depth. 22 extra scholarship athletes is certainly an advantage. These debates have been going on for years, based on the outcomes of a lot of FCS vs FBS games, most years the top 5 in FCS would rank somewhere from 35-50 if they were ranked in the FBS polls. On a really good year(see NDSU 2013) I'd take the FCS champion against anyone outside of the top 20 on a neutral field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, UNDMOORHEAD said: How many more scholarships do FBS schools get? 85 for FBS 63 for FCS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDMOORHEAD Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 10 minutes ago, Bison06 said: 22 extra scholarship athletes is certainly an advantage. These debates have been going on for years, based on the outcomes of a lot of FCS vs FBS games, most years the top 5 in FCS would rank somewhere from 35-50 if they were ranked in the FBS polls. On a really good year(see NDSU 2013) I'd take the FCS champion against anyone outside of the top 20 on a neutral field. I'm not trying to take anything away from FCS schools because a lot of those wins are impressive. It's just hard to project how they'd do playing a full FBS schedule of 9-11 FBS games a year. You would think over the course of a season that the depth would be the difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 4 hours ago, UNDMOORHEAD said: It's just hard to project how they'd do playing a full FBS schedule of 9-11 FBS games a year....... You would think over the course of a season that the depth would be the difference. Itll be fun in a few years watching the FBS program in the FCS. .......That's why they get an additional 20+ scholarships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 17 hours ago, Bison06 said: 85 for FBS 63 for FCS Just to clarify further, FCS can have up to 85 players on scholarship, however they can only give out the equivalent of 63 scholarships among those players. FCS and FBS teams have similar amount of scholarship players, but every player on an FBS team is on a full scholarship (excluding walk-ons for both teams of course) while the amount of money an FCS player gets can vary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 5 hours ago, jdub27 said: Just to clarify further, FCS can have up to 85 players on scholarship, however they can only give out the equivalent of 63 scholarships among those players. FCS and FBS teams have similar amount of scholarship players, but every player on an FBS team is on a full scholarship (excluding walk-ons for both teams of course) while the amount of money an FCS player gets can vary. Correct, thanks for the clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDhoops Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 On 12/24/2016 at 6:39 PM, Bison06 said: 22 extra scholarship athletes is certainly an advantage. These debates have been going on for years, based on the outcomes of a lot of FCS vs FBS games, most years the top 5 in FCS would rank somewhere from 35-50 if they were ranked in the FBS polls. On a really good year(see NDSU 2013) I'd take the FCS champion against anyone outside of the top 20 on a neutral field. i can never figure out if these are sarcasm or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John W. Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Wonder if Bubba and Schmidty watched the Gopher D against PAC 12 Wazzou? Interesting 1-4-6 alignment with 4 LB's lined up directly behind the lone down lineman .....spread out at last moment....Effective....wonder if it would work in pass happy Big Sky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux94 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Wonder if the guys are watching the Utah game tonight, I would imagine many of them are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teeder11 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 49 minutes ago, Sioux94 said: Wonder if the guys are watching the Utah game tonight, I would imagine many of them are. Utes run a lot. Throw less than we do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux94 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 18 minutes ago, Teeder11 said: Utes run a lot. Throw less than we do! I'm glad Joe Williams is a senior and we don't have to go up against him......he is good!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teeder11 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 37 minutes ago, Sioux94 said: I'm glad Joe Williams is a senior and we don't have to go up against him......he is good!! I had the same thought. Although I think Reyes might have caused him to cough up the ball a few times. They've got some big rangy returning linebackers that will give us fits. From a defensive standpoint, I think they're the kind of offense that plays to our strengths with that read option stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolna Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 58 minutes ago, Teeder11 said: I had the same thought. Although I think Reyes might have caused him to cough up the ball a few times. They've got some big rangy returning linebackers that will give us fits. From a defensive standpoint, I think they're the kind of offense that plays to our strengths with that read option stuff. You don't think Williams faced PAC12 safeties that are just as good as Reyes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 8 hours ago, Tolna said: You don't think Williams faced PAC12 safeties that are just as good as Reyes? Maybe, but he fumbled 5 times this year, so why wouldn't Reyes have been able to cause one or two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolna Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 46 minutes ago, jdub27 said: Maybe, but he fumbled 5 times this year, so why wouldn't Reyes have been able to cause one or two? Never said he wouldn't, just stating he faces safeties from a top 3 conference in college football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 8 hours ago, Tolna said: You don't think Williams faced PAC12 safeties that are just as good as Reyes? As good of open field tacklers? Unlikely. Better in coverage? Probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 3 minutes ago, Tolna said: Never said he wouldn't, just stating he faces safeties from a top 3 conference in college football. I'd put the Pac 12 at 4th right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolna Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 1 hour ago, geaux_sioux said: I'd put the Pac 12 at 4th right now. This year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, Tolna said: This year Most years. Pac 12 has been ass for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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