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http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/local/4126729-und-owned-ray-richards-golf-course-close-nov-1-good 

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The Ray Richards Golf Course is shutting down for good on Nov. 1, the end of its current season. ... 

... the course grounds have previously been identified through a study commissioned by UND, the city of Grand Forks and the UND Student Government as a site that "could be ideal for a vibrancy district"

More details will be released in October, the release stated.

 

Given the Bronson property is nearly full, and that apartments and light commercial surround Ray Richards, that property does seem rather prime for development <-- "vibrancy district". 

If Ray Richards changes, I wonder if there's a way to "adjust" Demers through there so they could finally put an underpass at 42nd Street. That would be very useful. 

The UND blog: http://blogs.und.edu/uletter/2016/09/und-cancels-ray-richards-golf-course-rfp-process/

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20 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/local/4126729-und-owned-ray-richards-golf-course-close-nov-1-good 

Given the Bronson property is nearly full, and that apartments and light commercial surround Ray Richards, that property does seem rather prime for development <-- "vibrancy district". 

If Ray Richards changes, I wonder if there's a way to "adjust" Demers through there so they could finally put an underpass at 42nd Street. That would be very useful. 

The UND blog: http://blogs.und.edu/uletter/2016/09/und-cancels-ray-richards-golf-course-rfp-process/

So a UND "Dinky Town" then?!

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24 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

If Ray Richards changes, I wonder if there's a way to "adjust" Demers through there so they could finally put an underpass at 42nd Street. That would be very useful. 

Thinking about this a bit more, I wonder if they could put together a single bid job to do two underpasses at once:

- put 42nd Street under the tracks at Demers
- put 17th Ave under I-29 <-- do that and put ramps onto the Merrifield Road overpass for a far south interchange

That would really allow for flexibility in the whole area. 

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1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/local/4126729-und-owned-ray-richards-golf-course-close-nov-1-good 

Given the Bronson property is nearly full, and that apartments and light commercial surround Ray Richards, that property does seem rather prime for development <-- "vibrancy district". 

If Ray Richards changes, I wonder if there's a way to "adjust" Demers through there so they could finally put an underpass at 42nd Street. That would be very useful. 

The UND blog: http://blogs.und.edu/uletter/2016/09/und-cancels-ray-richards-golf-course-rfp-process/

So evidently the thought that the land was given specifically for a golf course and couldn't be used for other purposes was incorrect.

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17 minutes ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said:

WTF planet is Peter Johnson living on?  Take away Ray Richards and Grand Forks has one public 9-hole, one public 18-hole with fees bordering on semi-private, and a private 18-hole country club.  What an ignorant statement.

peter is so nice you do wonder what kind of drugs he's doing...

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Dang. As a student who golfed, it was always nice to be able to run over to RR and play for $10. It did suck that the course was only open for 3 months while school was in session...so maybe it does make sense in that regard.

Still hate it, especially for Dustin and Nerby. There isn't exactly a huge amount of other jobs out there in GGF for golf courses, so I hope those guys land on their feet somewhere. They did a heck of a job managing that course on a shoestring budget for years. 

Looking forward, if they want this property to become connected to campus, they're going to have to do something about accessibility with the railroad. How much would it cost to move the whole rail yard outside of town? No more train shunting crashes in the middle of town, no more wall preventing development south from the main campus, no more kids getting run over...seems like it's all positives to me. Other than delivery to the power plant and that cemstone plant (or whatever it is along demers) what other reasons are there that necessitate a rail yard in the middle of town?? Heck, get rid of the rail yard and then we can have enough space to build a retractable roof football stadium and go FBS, right? :) ok, too far. But really, why does GF need that mess of trains in the middle of town??

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Is the Ray Richards course on 80 acres (or maybe 75)?  With undeveloped land on 32nd Ave and 42 St going upwards of $500,000 an acre, sale of golf course could maybe swing $30 mill.  Frontage property on 42nd and Demers will not be cheap, as Grand Forks doesnt have much in the way of developable land left on the major corridors.  This was initiated by Schafer, who put Ray Richards on a review list and knows how to swing a business deal, as does his successor.  

Not a golfer, but would be nice if UND bought property south of the airport from the proceeds and developed a new UAS and Research park along with a golf course.  This might give impetus for East Grand Forks to develop their 9 hole course across from the Lincoln course, which would connect with Lincoln via the pedestrian bridge on the Green Belt.

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11 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Is the Ray Richards course on 80 acres (or maybe 75)?  With undeveloped land on 32nd Ave and 42 St going upwards of $500,000 an acre, sale of golf course could maybe swing $30 mill.  Frontage property on 42nd and Demers will not be cheap, as Grand Forks doesnt have much in the way of developable land left on the major corridors.  This was initiated by Schafer, who put Ray Richards on a review list and knows how to swing a business deal, as does his successor.  

Not a golfer, but would be nice if UND bought property south of the airport from the proceeds and developed a new UAS and Research park along with a golf course.  This might give impetus for East Grand Forks to develop their 9 hole course across from the Lincoln course, which would connect with Lincoln via the pedestrian bridge on the Green Belt.

Grand skies the UAS research facility is being built at the base right now

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On 9/30/2016 at 4:45 PM, tnt said:

So evidently the thought that the land was given specifically for a golf course and couldn't be used for other purposes was incorrect.

It's possible that such a stipulation was in place, but has lapsed - you generally can't dictate future control of property forever into the future.  The rule against perpetuities in the US states you can't control property more than 21 years past a life in being , so such a stipulation may have been in place for, say, the lives of his children, but may now be expired. 

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3 hours ago, Vegas_Sioux said:

Grand skies the UAS research facility is being built at the base right now

Those are really operational development facilities.  The new Robin Hall has research facilities.  Software development is a key to UAS, and those personnel don't need to be located on the base.  When UAS need massive software development, so more buildings for programming companies will be required.

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1 hour ago, johndahl said:

It's possible that such a stipulation was in place, but has lapsed - you generally can't dictate future control of property forever into the future.  The rule against perpetuities in the US states you can't control property more than 21 years past a life in being , so such a stipulation may have been in place for, say, the lives of his children, but may now be expired. 

The property where the REA was built, Bronson, which was also donated, was stipulated as being for intramural athletics.  The same principle applies, as 21 years passed and buildings were built.

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2 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Those are really operational development facilities.  The new Robin Hall has research facilities.  Software development is a key to UAS, and those personnel don't need to be located on the base.  When UAS need massive software development, so more buildings for programming companies will be required.

Grand Sky is 217 acres. It will include operations, research, and training. They aren't going to build a 2nd business park for UAS before the first one gets developed and is operational. There is plenty of acreage available around the base if that park needs to be expanded in the future.

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Oh Ray Richards.  Got my first and only hole-in-one on the putting course at the Ray Richards.  Also played on the course (1972), when the foliage and the trees were so young and small, that someone would yell "fore" and everyone on the Ray Richard course would duck.

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