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The eternal optimistic fan in me wants the team to tear it up this season and go on a crazy run. BUT, the fan in me also feels like this \/  

I have mixed feelings about the year. I obviously want us to succeed but part of me wants us to struggle so we can get a new staff in here. Is that bad of me? I just feel it will be better for us in the long run. 

But I guess if the team does do great this year my view of the coaching staff will likely change (some). I just hope that even if the team does do well this season that Faison doesn't do his typical automatic contract extension. Hopefully he has learned his lesson after Mussman and holds off with the extensions. 

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100% meaningless as we all know - I'm not expecting miracle on the hardwood but you have to like the talented youth on this team. That youth probably means we will be faced with another year where the primary focus for some will be playing AD and trashing the staff. 

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To be expected with what UND has returning for production but I'll take them finishing much better than that with zero hesitation. 

Q is a conference POY candidate. Baldwin and especially Bernstine seem ready to step in and fill the points that graduated/left. Shanks and Cashman have another year under their belt and will give UND a very solid inside presence. If Geno is anything near as advertised, this team could make some noise. Not sure who is or isn't redshirting but guessing Seales plays right away.  I don't think it can be stated enough how huge the overseas trip was for this team, giving them a huge advantage working in the new parts before the season started. Roles are defined and players have bought in. The team chemistry will be very much improved and noticeable. That alone will make a huge difference.

This team is going to be fun to watch. Duckies and bunnies until proven otherwise. :D

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To be expected with what UND has returning for production but I'll take them finishing much better than that with zero hesitation. 

Q is a conference POY candidate. Baldwin and especially Bernstine seem ready to step in and fill the points that graduated/left. Shanks and Cashman have another year under their belt and will give UND a very solid inside presence. If Geno is anything near as advertised, this team could make some noise. Not sure who is or isn't redshirting but guessing Seales plays right away.  I don't think it can be stated enough how huge the overseas trip was for this team, giving them a huge advantage working in the new parts before the season started. Roles are defined and players have bought in. The team chemistry will be very much improved and noticeable. That alone will make a huge difference.

This team is going to be fun to watch. Duckies and bunnies until proven otherwise. :D

Have to agree.  I believe the national ranking and Big Sky ranking is off.  This team has some talent and enough experience to make it dangerous to anyone in the Big Sky.   However, as we have seen in the past you need chemistry as much as talent.  We had mega talent several years ago, but little chemistry and team play.   This team should do well above poll expectations.

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may have talent but very low on experience . 

Experience is subjective.  Many kids have played at high level with their school and AAU program.  With some competing and winning their state championships. Would take that experience over the last few years of players that have college playing time (minus couple exceptions).  Like these what these guys showed overseas.  The unselfishness the team showed overseas, with the ability to fight for a win, and finding the scorer in Hooker (which they needed), is something this team is now building on.  Most of the players roles are now defined.  They are now working on getting better together and proving the polls wrong. 

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Experience is subjective.  Many kids have played at high level with their school and AAU program.  With some competing and winning their state championships. Would take that experience over the last few years of players that have college playing time (minus couple exceptions).  Like these what these guys showed overseas.  The unselfishness the team showed overseas, with the ability to fight for a win, and finding the scorer in Hooker (which they needed), is something this team is now building on.  Most of the players roles are now defined.  They are now working on getting better together and proving the polls wrong. 

experience is quantifiable and therefore objective in terms of quantity.  The quality of experience is subjective.   UND returns one of the top 5 and 2 of top 8 scorers from last season and is projected to have zero seniors and one junior is starting 5 therefore   LOW on D1 basketball experience 

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so far jones UND Fighting HAWKS doing quite well in exceeding preseason ranking of 328 ....current RPI of 250  is 78 spots above preseason rating

 
Conference:  AllAmerica EastAmericanAtlantic 10ACCAtlantic SunBig 12Big EastBig SkyBig SouthBig TenBig WestColonialConference USAHorizonIvyMAACMid-AmericanMEACMissouri ValleyMountain WestNortheastOhio ValleyPac-12Patriot LeagueSECSouthernSouthlandSWACSummit LeagueSun BeltWest CoastWAC
Season: 2015-162014-152013-142012-132011-122010-11
2015-16 RPI
RK (RPI)TEAMRPID1 W-LSOSNCRPNCSSCFRPCFSS1-2526-5051-100L12LRPIOFFQDEFQASM
1 (51)Weber State.59143-23618136219330-01-00-23-2102-7.04.3-2.7
2 (128)Sacramento State.52824-2229802292061860-00-01-04-2120-0.2-3.0-3.2
3 (129)Montana State.52713-31471661482522450-00-00-23-3170-2.0-8.1-10.1
4 (190)Idaho.48904-32411572412612150-00-00-04-3262-13.46.4-7.1
5 (203)Idaho State.47890-310345112173230-00-10-00-3224-7.4-17.2-24.6
6 (218)Portland State.47161-31352541352281060-00-00-11-3217-1.3-3.5-4.7
7 (250)North Dakota.4430
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so far jones UND Fighting HAWKS doing quite well in exceeding preseason ranking of 328 ....current RPI of 250  is 78 spots above preseason rating

 
Conference:  AllAmerica EastAmericanAtlantic 10ACCAtlantic SunBig 12Big EastBig SkyBig SouthBig TenBig WestColonialConference USAHorizonIvyMAACMid-AmericanMEACMissouri ValleyMountain WestNortheastOhio ValleyPac-12Patriot LeagueSECSouthernSouthlandSWACSummit LeagueSun BeltWest CoastWAC
Season: 2015-162014-152013-142012-132011-122010-11
2015-16 RPI
RK (RPI)TEAMRPID1 W-LSOSNCRPNCSSCFRPCFSS1-2526-5051-100L12LRPIOFFQDEFQASM
1 (51)Weber State.59143-23618136219330-01-00-23-2102-7.04.3-2.7
2 (128)Sacramento State.52824-2229802292061860-00-01-04-2120-0.2-3.0-3.2
3 (129)Montana State.52713-31471661482522450-00-00-23-3170-2.0-8.1-10.1
4 (190)Idaho.48904-32411572412612150-00-00-04-3262-13.46.4-7.1
5 (203)Idaho State.47890-310345112173230-00-10-00-3224-7.4-17.2-24.6
6 (218)Portland State.47161-31352541352281060-00-00-11-3217-1.3-3.5-4.7
7 (250)North Dakota.4430

Up 78 points, thanks to our SOS. Wisconsin and UNI and soon NDSU will up our spots even more.

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http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-basketball/3895370-und-basketball-youth-not-excuse-und-continues-its-season

“(Bradley) is a team like us,” said Crandall. “It comes down to who’s going to play hard and who’s going to play smarter. If we come out hot and punch them in the mouth, we should have a pretty good chance.”

Who's telling these guys they're not good enough to play with good teams? They should believe they're going to beat Bradley. 

 

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Who's telling these guys they're not good enough to play with good teams? They should believe they're going to beat Bradley. 

 

I think what this quote tells us is that they know they have to show up each night and play hard.  If they do that they will have a chance to win any game.  If they just show up and not play hard, they won't win.  I saw some good things in the Wisconsin game and the second half of the Walford game showed that they can play good defense and that offense starts first with a good defense.  They better play Defense against NDSU or it could be like last year.

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Amazing work by Jones so far RPI  now 4th in Big Sky and almost 100 teams better than preseason prediction

RPI RkBig SkyConfAllRPISOS RkSOS
Down 31 From Last WeekDown 31 From Last Week60 Weber St.0-0  3-2 0.5850104 0.5419
Down 15 From Last WeekDown 15 From Last Week131 Sacramento St.0-0  4-2 0.5306193 0.4852
Up 25 From Last WeekUp 25 From Last Week200 Idaho0-0  4-4 0.4822210 0.4763
Up 39 From Last WeekUp 39 From Last Week230 North Dakota0-0  3-4 0.4525255 0.4519
Down 56 From Last WeekDown 56 From Last Week255 Montana St.0-0  3-4 0.4346281 0.4396
Up 84 From Last WeekUp 84 From Last Week261 Eastern Wash.0-0  3-3 0.4269334 0.3769
Down 148 From Last WeekDown 148 From Last Week262 Portland St.0-0  1-4 0.4261229 0.4667
Up 19 From Last WeekUp 19 From Last Week267 Southern Utah0-0  1-5 0.4221194 0.4851
Up 48 From Last WeekUp 48 From Last Week268 Montana0-0  2-3 0.4219299 0.4292
Down 115 From Last WeekDown 115 From Last Week292 Idaho St.0-0  0-4 0.4070100 0.5427
Down 2 From Last Week340 Northern Colorado0-0  0-6 0.3530222 0.4707
Down 80 From Last WeekDown 80 From Last Week347 Northern Arizona
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