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[mg2009]

fightingsioux4life, on 21 June 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

The Summit League is a hodge-podge, ticky-tack conference for schools that don't have any better place to go.

you realize that the is the only reason that the big sky is 'stable', right?  It's a bunch of medicore schools with football who either don't want to be (UM)  or can't be (everyone else) FBS.  with potential 15 football members soon, THE BSC looks pretty rickety.

[mg2009]

CMSioux, on 22 June 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

And how many teams in the Summit league would you want to latch on to - keeping in mind you can't list any former NCC schools because those are the schools that others wanted to leave behind.

last i checked, it was UND that wanted to stay forever in the happy confines of the NCC, NDSU was trying to and DID get the best schools to make the jump.  Trying to follow UM and MSU into the FBS is hilariously wrong-headed because 1) those schools aren't going FBS 2) no conference that wants UM and MSU is going to want UND

if the idea is to ride around on some schools coattails (god thats a pathetic thought, btw) the best bet would be that school down south, because they could actually make the jump.

[UNDBIZ]

mg2009, on 25 June 2012 - 05:32 PM, said:

if the idea is to ride around on some schools coattails the best bet would be that school down south, because they could actually make the jump.

[mg2009]

UNDBIZ, on 25 June 2012 - 05:35 PM, said:

Who do you think makes the jump first, NDSU or UM?

[dmksioux]

mg2009, on 25 June 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

Who do you think makes the jump first, NDSU or UM?

Seriously?  Which FBS conference footprint does NDSU lie within?  Big Ten, not going to happen.  Big 12, not going to happen.  MAC, have fun with that, still outside the footprint.

Which FBS Conference footprint does UM lie within?  Already's been courted by the WAC.  With their stadium capacity, could possibly be looked at by the MWC and are in the footprint of that conference.

Take into account that the Big Sky Commissioner has already been quoted as wanting to position the conference for that "second tier" of schools should the FBS schools leave and form their own league.  Montana has already had the initial opportunity and are better positioned to be invited to a FBS school than NDSU.  Does that mean it will translate to UND having the same chance?  Who knows, but it's still nice to be connected to the Montana schools and a Western Conference where there tends to be more opportunities for moving up.

[homer]

mg2009, on 25 June 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

you realize that the is the only reason that the big sky is 'stable', right?  It's a bunch of medicore schools with football who either don't want to be (UM)  or can't be (everyone else) FBS.  with potential 15 football members soon, THE BSC looks pretty rickety.

Don't worry the Summit will be stable when its NCC 2.0 and when the MVC gets ready to expand, SDSU and USD will make great partners with one another for the jump.  NDSU is no longer joined with anyone at the hip and has no travel partner either.

[SIOUXFAN97]

as for FBS or FCS once all this realignment stuff goes down (maybe after july 1st?) you will have the pac 12, big 12, big 10, sec, and maybe the acc and big east and everyone else will be technically fcs anyways....the only difference is that the people in missoula and bozeman primarily want local kids to represent their school and would rather play for a championship on the field instead of some San Francisco Bowl against Eastern Michigan?

is arkansas state and their 9 million dollars athletic budget more FBS than UND and their 19 million dollar budget and for that matter NDAC and their 14 million dollar budget?

[SIOUXFAN97]

homer, on 25 June 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

Don't worry the Summit will be stable when its NCC 2.0 and when the MVC gets ready to expand, SDSU and USD will make great partners with one another for the jump.  NDSU is no longer joined with anyone at the hip and has no travel partner either.

very very good point btw....if for some reason the mvc were to expand the sodaks are now a team and the bison would be on an island....never thought of that?

[JackJD]

SIOUXFAN97, on 25 June 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

...the sodaks are now a team and the bison would be on an island....never thought of that?

Incorrect.  SDSU and NDSU continue to be connected.  If the MVFC made any additional moves, USD has the advantage of a little better location than SDSU and a lot better location than NDSU.

[FSSD]

JackJD, on 25 June 2012 - 08:17 PM, said:

Incorrect.  SDSU and NDSU continue to be connected.  If the MVFC made any additional moves, USD has the advantage of a little better location than SDSU and a lot better location than NDSU.

So you are saying the NDSU and SDSU are a package deal versus SDSU and USD?

[Bison Dan]

SIOUXFAN97, on 25 June 2012 - 06:44 PM, said:

as for FBS or FCS once all this realignment stuff goes down (maybe after july 1st?) you will have the pac 12, big 12, big 10, sec, and maybe the acc and big east and everyone else will be technically fcs anyways....the only difference is that the people in missoula and bozeman primarily want local kids to represent their school and would rather play for a championship on the field instead of some San Francisco Bowl against Eastern Michigan?

is arkansas state and their 9 million dollars athletic budget more FBS than UND and their 19 million dollar budget and for that matter NDAC and their 14 million dollar budget?

You do realize that a large portion of the 19M goes to hockey - right?  How's all that money done for you lately?  NOTHING!

[GeauxSioux]

Bison Dan, on 26 June 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

You do realize that a large portion of the 19M goes to hockey - right?  How's all that money done for you lately?  NOTHING!

Last year UND football took the Great West title.  UND men's hockey won the Broadmoor Trophy (which UND has won 3 years in a row).  Both the men's and women's hockey teams participated in the NCAA tournaments.  The men's BB team took it to your boys.  Yeah, "nothing".

[CMSioux]

GeauxSioux, on 26 June 2012 - 08:14 AM, said:

Last year UND football took the Great West title.  UND men's hockey won the Broadmoor Trophy (which UND has won 3 years in a row).  Both the men's and women's hockey teams participated in the NCAA tournaments.  The men's BB team took it to your boys.  Yeah, "nothing".

Oh and it probably had nothing to do with the new 5 year TV deal.

[darell1976]

CMSioux, on 26 June 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

Oh and it probably had nothing to do with the new 5 year TV deal.

Hey they have KVLY and Dan Hammer. We should all be jealous.

[BigGreyAnt41]

SIOUXFAN97, on 26 June 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

Might be some powerful people in sioux falls and pierre that disagree with you on that one...

Do you mean Brookings and Vermillion?

[SIOUXFAN97]

BigGreyAnt41, on 26 June 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

Do you mean Brookings and Vermillion?

wherever the people are that slapped down usd into not joining the bsc and instead following sdsu back to the ncc2.1?  those people....

[Bison Dan]

GeauxSioux, on 26 June 2012 - 08:14 AM, said:

Last year UND football took the Great West title.  UND men's hockey won the Broadmoor Trophy (which UND has won 3 years in a row).  Both the men's and women's hockey teams participated in the NCAA tournaments.  The men's BB team took it to your boys.  Yeah, "nothing".

GWC was terrible last year - and well if that's all the hockey fans expect from their hockey team is to win the Broadmoor then Bingo - successful year!

[UNDColorado]

The five football playing teams in the GWFC were solid and you know it. Nice try troll.

[GeauxSioux]

Bison Dan, on 27 June 2012 - 07:47 AM, said:

GWC was terrible last year - and well if that's all the hockey fans expect from their hockey team is to win the Broadmoor then Bingo - successful year!

Ahem, you said "nothing".  Winning conference championships is "something".  

Obviously the bar is quite a bit higher than winning conference trophies, but winning them is one of the goals the teams strive for during the season.  It is not the ulitmate goal of the players, coaches, or fans, but a goal nonetheless.

[The Sicatoka]

Think about this:

The University of North Dakota mens hockey team is being "busted on" for just accomplishing ...

- a national championship game lost in OT
- another national championship game appearance
- four other Frozen Four appearances (national semi-finalist)
- a Broadmoor Trophy three-in-a-row (never done before), plus another in 2006
- four MacNaughton Cups
- a Hobey Baker winner

... in just the last 12 seasons. (Go back 13 and you have a National Championship and another Broadmoor.)

That's fifty years for some college programs. Other college programs can't claim even parts of that.

Yeah, UND Hockey: the bar is set pretty high.