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Solitary confinement in Leed ND school system.
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, May 05 2012 05:20 PM
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Posted 06 May 2012 - 12:51 PM
rockbear99, on 05 May 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:
I guarantee you that if my child was ever locked in one I would tear it down personally. There has to be other ways than lock a kid up. If this were done in a home the child would be taken away from the parents.
If the kid had gone to Catholic school when I did the nuns would have not even bothered with "solitary confinement" ...
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Posted 06 May 2012 - 01:19 PM
rockbear99, on 05 May 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:
I guarantee you that if my child was ever locked in one I would tear it down personally. There has to be other ways than lock a kid up. If this were done in a home the child would be taken away from the parents.
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Posted 06 May 2012 - 01:55 PM
watchmaker49, on 06 May 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:
Have you sent this to the GF Herald, is Leeds in Ramsey County if it is send to the Ramsey DA, send it to the North Dakota Attorney Generals office. This principle needs to have her head examined or spend some time in the box herself. This is not Cool Hand Luke.
It's in Benson County.
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Posted 06 May 2012 - 02:27 PM
Not saying this is the right way to handle things.....but if I was a kid and and got put in this box and went home and bitched about it to my parents the first response would have been "what did you do to deseve that?".....but today kids are coddled and taught that they can do nothing wrong. I have quite a few friends that are in education and when I ask them how kids are these days and what are the biggest problems or issues in education the overwhelming response is "most of the kids are good kids, the biggest problems are the parents"
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Posted 06 May 2012 - 04:55 PM
petey23, on 06 May 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:
Not saying this is the right way to handle things.....but if I was a kid and and got put in this box and went home and bitched about it to my parents the first response would have been "what did you do to deseve that?".....but today kids are coddled and taught that they can do nothing wrong. I have quite a few friends that are in education and when I ask them how kids are these days and what are the biggest problems or issues in education the overwhelming response is "most of the kids are good kids, the biggest problems are the parents"
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Posted 06 May 2012 - 09:15 PM
Not a parent of a child in this school. my daughter is 3 right now. Do not live in Benson County. Very active in my daughters life and will always be. If she gets in trouble in school she will be in trouble at home also. Same way when I was a kid. This in not in the sports forum and I wanted to know others people opinion on the subject but you (irish) seem to have a problem with thant.
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Posted 07 May 2012 - 08:34 AM
As a certified school psychologist and behavior analyst, I must say there are many things wrong with this procedure portrayed in the video. First of all, this is in clear violation of <strong>Rules on Corporal Punishment, Physical Confinement and Detention, and Physical Restraint</strong> that most States have in their Code. I work in Iowa and this would be a direct violation of Chapter 103(b). I am certain North Dakota has similar statutes and laws.
Secondly, there is no indication that they are looking at function of behavior (reason why it is occurring). Timeout can be an effective procedure, but it typically, and usually, is not effective in isolation. I realize that we do not know what other strategies are being used, but it is a point that needs to be made. Timeout if used on a student whose function is "escape", would be very dangerous. Dangerous in the fact that the student is more likely to escalate behavior if the function is not fulfilled immediately. Using this sparingly without other strategies would in fact be teaching the wrong behavior. Of course I am speaking in generalities as none of know the rest of the story.
The last point I would like to make is one regarding the filmmaker. Aside from the creepy and low-tech camera work that looks like it is from 1992, we have some FERPA violations as well. Did this child's parent give consent to appear on this video explaining the timeout? Were the parents notified that you would be posting this online? I applaud the "whistleblowing" as this is a potentially serious issue (see Waukee timeout). As Waukee CSD learned from its egregious, yet well-intended mistake, Leeds must do the same. I am sure this is a case of well-intentions, however, if you are not educated about the procedure, DO NOT DO IT
Secondly, there is no indication that they are looking at function of behavior (reason why it is occurring). Timeout can be an effective procedure, but it typically, and usually, is not effective in isolation. I realize that we do not know what other strategies are being used, but it is a point that needs to be made. Timeout if used on a student whose function is "escape", would be very dangerous. Dangerous in the fact that the student is more likely to escalate behavior if the function is not fulfilled immediately. Using this sparingly without other strategies would in fact be teaching the wrong behavior. Of course I am speaking in generalities as none of know the rest of the story.
The last point I would like to make is one regarding the filmmaker. Aside from the creepy and low-tech camera work that looks like it is from 1992, we have some FERPA violations as well. Did this child's parent give consent to appear on this video explaining the timeout? Were the parents notified that you would be posting this online? I applaud the "whistleblowing" as this is a potentially serious issue (see Waukee timeout). As Waukee CSD learned from its egregious, yet well-intended mistake, Leeds must do the same. I am sure this is a case of well-intentions, however, if you are not educated about the procedure, DO NOT DO IT
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Posted 07 May 2012 - 09:00 AM
Jordo, on 07 May 2012 - 08:34 AM, said:
As a certified school psychologist and behavior analyst, I must say there are many things wrong with this procedure portrayed in the video. First of all, this is in clear violation of <strong>Rules on Corporal Punishment, Physical Confinement and Detention, and Physical Restraint</strong> that most States have in their Code. I work in Iowa and this would be a direct violation of Chapter 103(b). I am certain North Dakota has similar statutes and laws.
Secondly, there is no indication that they are looking at function of behavior (reason why it is occurring). Timeout can be an effective procedure, but it typically, and usually, is not effective in isolation. I realize that we do not know what other strategies are being used, but it is a point that needs to be made. Timeout if used on a student whose function is "escape", would be very dangerous. Dangerous in the fact that the student is more likely to escalate behavior if the function is not fulfilled immediately. Using this sparingly without other strategies would in fact be teaching the wrong behavior. Of course I am speaking in generalities as none of know the rest of the story.
The last point I would like to make is one regarding the filmmaker. Aside from the creepy and low-tech camera work that looks like it is from 1992, we have some FERPA violations as well. Did this child's parent give consent to appear on this video explaining the timeout? Were the parents notified that you would be posting this online? I applaud the "whistleblowing" as this is a potentially serious issue (see Waukee timeout). As Waukee CSD learned from its egregious, yet well-intended mistake, Leeds must do the same. I am sure this is a case of well-intentions, however, if you are not educated about the procedure, DO NOT DO IT
Secondly, there is no indication that they are looking at function of behavior (reason why it is occurring). Timeout can be an effective procedure, but it typically, and usually, is not effective in isolation. I realize that we do not know what other strategies are being used, but it is a point that needs to be made. Timeout if used on a student whose function is "escape", would be very dangerous. Dangerous in the fact that the student is more likely to escalate behavior if the function is not fulfilled immediately. Using this sparingly without other strategies would in fact be teaching the wrong behavior. Of course I am speaking in generalities as none of know the rest of the story.
The last point I would like to make is one regarding the filmmaker. Aside from the creepy and low-tech camera work that looks like it is from 1992, we have some FERPA violations as well. Did this child's parent give consent to appear on this video explaining the timeout? Were the parents notified that you would be posting this online? I applaud the "whistleblowing" as this is a potentially serious issue (see Waukee timeout). As Waukee CSD learned from its egregious, yet well-intended mistake, Leeds must do the same. I am sure this is a case of well-intentions, however, if you are not educated about the procedure, DO NOT DO IT
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Posted 07 May 2012 - 11:41 AM
90siouxfan, on 07 May 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:
A google search for Waukee CSD was not helpful, care to provide any clues as to what happened or what your reffering to.
http://www.bleedingh....com/diary/451/ Google is a wonderful thing and so helpful. Googlescholar is better for research though.
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Posted 07 May 2012 - 11:09 PM
ND Parents Outraged Over School's Tiny 'Time Out' Room
The lady's poor kid didn't have enough room to play while he was in time out for disrupting class.
I hope they keep it and start making these idiotic parents sit in there with their kids.
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Brittany Mears says her kindergarten-aged son was one of the students to have a time out in the room.
"He said, 'mom, it was too small. It was just a box. I couldn't play or anything in it,'" Mears said.
"He said, 'mom, it was too small. It was just a box. I couldn't play or anything in it,'" Mears said.
I hope they keep it and start making these idiotic parents sit in there with their kids.
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