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[siouxfan512]

Is Kurt Zellers currently one of the most disliked and despised UND alumni for setting up the Vikings to leave Minnesota?!?!

I am typically a strong republican and think there is more than enough blame to go around on this stadium issue. But it is clear that Dayton and Zellers deserve to carry most of the blame. Zellers for his lack of support and decisiveness in the process, and Dayton for his incompetent incapability to compromise with the GOP. Anyone else tired of this power struggle?

That being said, is Zellers currently UND's most disliked alumni. Discuss . . .

[siouxfan512]

If you support the stadium and live in Minnesota, call your representative!

[bincitysioux]

siouxfan512, on 04 May 2012 - 08:00 PM, said:

Is Kurt Zellers currently one of the most disliked and despised UND alumni for setting up the Vikings to leave Minnesota?!?!

I am typically a strong republican and think there is more than enough blame to go around on this stadium issue. But it is clear that Dayton and Zellers deserve to carry most of the blame. Zellers for his lack of support and decisiveness in the process, and Dayton for his incompetent incapability to compromise with the GOP. Anyone else tired of this power struggle?

That being said, is Zellers currently UND's most disliked alumni. Discuss . . .

That makes him one of my favorites...............................

[siouxfan512]

bincitysioux, on 04 May 2012 - 08:17 PM, said:

That makes him one of my favorites...............................

Not a stadium proponent, I assume? That is certainly a fair opinion, though if he didn't support the issue he should have come out and said so when Roger Goodell was lobbying to him. Instead he lied to all parties involved and said they would get it done.

I can understand being upset about Dayton constantly vetoing your top political issues, but this needs to be about the interest of the state and the people of MN. Not the political power struggle between them.

I think it is safe to say that regardless of the outcome of this issue, this was handled extremely poorly and without class by both sides. I only single out Zellers because of his UND affiliation.

[siouxfan512]

C'mon people, Lets hear some opinions on Zellers and the Vikings stadium. Very interesting to hear some opionions on this issue and why people feel that way.

[bincitysioux]

siouxfan512, on 04 May 2012 - 08:24 PM, said:

Not a stadium proponent, I assume? That is certainly a fair opinion, though if he didn't support the issue he should have come out and said so when Roger Goodell was lobbying to him. Instead he lied to all parties involved and said they would get it done.

I can understand being upset about Dayton constantly vetoing your top political issues, but this needs to be about the interest of the state and the people of MN. Not the political power struggle between them.

I think it is safe to say that regardless of the outcome of this issue, this was handled extremely poorly and without class by both sides. I only single out Zellers because of his UND affiliation.

Actually, I'm just not a Vikings proponent....................

If the legislature is stupid enough to let them leave, especially after going through the exact same scenario with the Northstars, the Wild, and the Excel, then they deserve to have the Vikings bolt on their watch..............................

[bincitysioux]

siouxfan512, on 04 May 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:

C'mon people, Lets hear some opinions on Zellers and the Vikings stadium. Very interesting to hear some opionions on this issue and why people feel that way.

I think they should build the stadium.  They'd be stupid not to.  The Wilfs are offering up 1/3 of the money.  That is not common in NFL stadium negotiations.

But since I am not a Vikings fan, I'd also enjoy the chaos that would ensue if they relocated......................

Either way, I'm not affected all that much................

Disclaimer:  I live in North Dakota.  I have no dog in the fight since I'm not Minnesotan nor a Vikings fan.

[siouxfan512]

bincitysioux, on 04 May 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

I think they should build the stadium.  They'd be stupid not to.  The Wilfs are offering up 1/3 of the money.  That is not common in NFL stadium negotiations.

But since I am not a Vikings fan, I'd also enjoy the chaos that would ensue if they relocated......................

Either way, I'm not affected all that much................

Disclaimer:  I live in North Dakota.  I have no dog in the fight since I'm not Minnesotan nor a Vikings fan.

Fair enough . . . I actually just moved back to Minneapolis from ND, and as a fan and now tax paying citizen of the state it is disappointing. Aside from losing the team that many love, it really sucks to pay all those tax dollars and not see them go to something you want.

For example, it really irritates me to see so much of our tax dollars go to programs like welfare, which seams to be a broken system that allows many people to become dependent upon it; then when a portion of those dollars could go to something i, and many, would actually enjoy, for a change, the people in power cannot work together to find a solution that would appease most if not everyone. Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to bash on welfare. It is a program that is needed by many, but it certainly abused and is a bottomless pit for our tax dollars.

Seems to me that Zellers is overly stubborn and Dayton is power happy (Veto-what!)

[Ranger]

If the team was truely a "state" asset as the stadium supporters claim, statewide funds would be collected to fund the billion dollar project.  Govenor Dayton sealed the stadium's fate by practically vetoing ever bill placed before him this session.  I don't see many GOP votes swinging his way on Monday.  Call their bluff.  The team cannot leave soon enough.

[Ranger]

bincitysioux, on 04 May 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

The Wilfs are offering up 1/3 of the money.

Not exactly... Wilf's portion seems unknown.  I'ts my understanding that a large portion of his contribution is actually coming from the NFL, low or no interest loans, fees, naming rights, advertisement, etc.  Not directly from his checkbook.

[siouxfan512]

Ranger, on 04 May 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:

Not exactly... Wilf's portion seems unknown.  I'ts my understanding that a large portion of his contribution is actually coming from the NFL, low or no interest loans, fees, naming rights, advertisement, etc.  Not directly from his checkbook.

As much as I despise Mark Dayton he said it best, it doesn't really matter where the Wilf's get their financing from whether is be the bank, their personal acct, private investors, or the NFL. The bottom line is that whatever the number is, it takes away from the state's portion of the financing.

[siouxfan512]

Ranger, on 04 May 2012 - 09:56 PM, said:

If the team was truely a "state" asset as the stadium supporters claim, statewide funds would be collected to fund the billion dollar project.  Govenor Dayton sealed the stadium's fate by practically vetoing ever bill placed before him this session.  I don't see many GOP votes swinging his way on Monday.  Call their bluff.  The team cannot leave soon enough.

If there wasn't a benefit to posessing an NFL team, nobody would want to buy them. To say they are not a assett to the state is a pretty asinine statement, considering the number of tax dollars they generate, not to mention all of the out of state dollars they bring in. It is pretty embarassing that this could not get taken care of quicker and easier. Instead, this has basicall turned into a glorified pissing match between Dayton and the GOP.

[siouxfan512]

Voice of the public:

Gov Dayton says calls to his office overhwleming in favor of Vikings stadium: 966 support, 141 oppose.

Interesting to see if public opinion will be enough to push the vote on Monday, even without Mr Zeller's support.

[Ranger]

The Minnesota Sports Commission report from a year or two back noted that the total tax dollars collected since 1960 that we're attributable to all professional sports teams was ~400 million.  That's 400M in 50 years.  Not a profit considering the costs of the venues.  If these adventures actually made money, private investors would be throwing money at them.  Just like public transportation.

[Ranger]

siouxfan512, on 04 May 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

Voice of the public:

Gov Dayton says calls to his office overhwleming in favor of Vikings stadium: 966 support, 141 oppose.

Interesting to see if public opinion will be enough to push the vote on Monday, even without Mr Zeller's support.

The 966 supporters are on board right up until money is directly taken out of their pockets.  That's the minnesota way.  Hey, I'm for building a stadium, just as long as the out-staters pay for it.

[Ranger]

siouxfan512, on 04 May 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:

As much as I despise Mark Dayton he said it best, it doesn't really matter where the Wilf's get their financing from whether is be the bank, their personal acct, private investors, or the NFL. The bottom line is that whatever the number is, it takes away from the state's portion of the financing.

It does matter as long as it's touted that Wilf is paying for 45 percent of costs?  He's not.

[siouxfan512]

Ranger, on 04 May 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

The 966 supporters are on board right up until money is directly taken out of their pockets.  That's the minnesota way.  Hey, I'm for building a stadium, just as long as the out-staters pay for it.

I'm a state taxpayer, and I think it would be a refreshing change to see my money go to something like this. It was the same arguments for the Twins stadium, and that has done a tremendous job of drawing people in and making money. Nobody is worse of because of it. I think it is safe to say that this vote will seriously impact the upcoming election and who makes it through.

[siouxfan512]

Ranger, on 04 May 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

It does matter as long as it's touted that Wilf is paying for 45 percent of costs?  He's not.

Ok then it can be re-phrased and states that Wilf was responsible for finding the financing for 45%. Worded differently, same results, and same amount needs to be financed by the state

[Ranger]

siouxfan512, on 04 May 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

I'm a state taxpayer, and I think it would be a refreshing change to see my money go to something like this. It was the same arguments for the Twins stadium, and that has done a tremendous job of drawing people in and making money. Nobody is worse of because of it. I think it is safe to say that this vote will seriously impact the upcoming election and who makes it through.

And the Twins are kicking ass....just saying.  Another "state" asset supported by a few (Hennepin County only).

I'm a major tax payer as well, and am pissed that the legislature and the mayor support bypassing Minneapolis law that requires a vote on these issues.  You are right, this will affect future elections.  Good bye Rybak and supporting commissioners.

Why not fund the stadium by using fees and other taxes directed toward fans, including pay per view for out staters.  Then those who are true fans can directly support the team.

[Smoggy]

Ranger, on 04 May 2012 - 10:53 PM, said:

And the Twins are kicking ass....just saying.  Another "state" asset supported by a few (Hennepin County only).

I'm a major tax payer as well, and am pissed that the legislature and the mayor support bypassing Minneapolis law that requires a vote on these issues.  You are right, this will affect future elections.  Good bye Rybak and supporting commissioners.

Why not fund the stadium by using fees and other taxes directed toward fans, including pay per view for out staters.  Then those who are true fans can directly support the team.

I think they are out if they oppose it.  I used to live in Hennepin and gladly supported the whopping half a penny on every dollar I spend in the county to go towards that ballpark.  And why do the "out staters" always have to burden fair share when most money in the state and people able to go are "in staters?"

***ALWAYS hated these terms.  Elitist at its extreme.  The rest of the state should just seceed and let msp and st paul rely on burbs for all there social, structural, and political problems.