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Conference Realignments - Take 2

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18 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

And UND hockey would be in the WCHA today if not for a major gift.  We need a major gift of an on-campus stadium to even contemplate FBS.  UND has much more going for it than Ball St, Bowling Green, EMU, Akron, Kent St, La-Monroe, USA, Coastal Carolina, Troy, Appalachian St, Georgia Southern and others that are FBS.  What we need is a stadium on-campus, as then FBS becomes a major advertising tool that we don't currently have.

I would rather be a top tier FCS program than mediocre at best at football.

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Between the fiscal realities of most low tier FBS schools, the basic cost of football, the sundry issues (see: concussions) relating to the sport, and, yes, ultimately the television revenues, I still see a world where the top 70 or so of FBS form a tier, the remaining 40 or so of FBS have no choice but to partner with the top 40 or so of FCS and form a second tier, and the remainder of FCS is the third tier in "Division I FB". 

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26 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Between the fiscal realities of most low tier FBS schools, the basic cost of football, the sundry issues (see: concussions) relating to the sport, and, yes, ultimately the television revenues, I still see a world where the top 70 or so of FBS form a tier, the remaining 40 or so of FBS have no choice but to partner with the top 40 or so of FCS and form a second tier, and the remainder of FCS is the third tier in "Division I FB". 

So like High school football :D

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10 hours ago, southpaw said:

Source?

Ralph.  He was very concerned the the Big Ten would form their own league and leave us stranded with Bemidji and Mich Tech.  A lot of people poo-posed this well after Ralphs passing, including some posters here.

If the Ralph hadn't been given, in all likelihood we'd would be playing in the Alerus.  Grand Forks asked UND if they would use Alerus Center ice if that was included, and UND said no.  This was when the Winter Sports Center was known to be a rusting hulk.  With the Alerus, UND would have needed a practice rink on campus and playing football and hockey on the same day would have been impossible.  But mainly, UND would not likely get the top hockey recruits like they do now.  Minny, Wisconsin, BU, BC, DU and maybe UMD would win the vast majority of recruiting battles.  Maybe we beat SCSU and Mankato.

Attendance nearly tripled with the REA and it's doubtful the Alerus would have gone over so well with hockey fans.  UND would have been a relative pauper without the REA.

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On 8/17/2017 at 7:19 PM, SiouxVolley said:

Ralph.  He was very concerned the the Big Ten would form their own league and leave us stranded with Bemidji and Mich Tech.  A lot of people poo-posed this well after Ralphs passing, including some posters here.

If the Ralph hadn't been given, in all likelihood we'd would be playing in the Alerus.  Grand Forks asked UND if they would use Alerus Center ice if that was included, and UND said no.  This was when the Winter Sports Center was known to be a rusting hulk.  With the Alerus, UND would have needed a practice rink on campus and playing football and hockey on the same day would have been impossible.  But mainly, UND would not likely get the top hockey recruits like they do now.  Minny, Wisconsin, BU, BC, DU and maybe UMD would win the vast majority of recruiting battles.  Maybe we beat SCSU and Mankato.

Attendance nearly tripled with the REA and it's doubtful the Alerus would have gone over so well with hockey fans.  UND would have been a relative pauper without the REA.

What? 

You incorrectly assume UND would have made no upgrades/changes to the old Ralph or even built a similar size arena elsewhere on campus. 

The school was coming off two championships and yet without Ralphs gift you think UND hockey would just be a poor little stepchild? 

UND had shown a consistent history of investing in hockey improvements and funding, why would that suddenly stop? 

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1 hour ago, southpaw said:

What? 

You incorrectly assume UND would have made no upgrades/changes to the old Ralph or even built a similar size arena elsewhere on campus. 

The school was coming off two championships and yet without Ralphs gift you think UND hockey would just be a poor little stepchild? 

UND had shown a consistent history of investing in hockey improvements and funding, why would that suddenly stop? 

So you seem to be stating that the Alerus would not have been an upgrade over the old Winter Sports Building.  

Seem to recall that their wasn't sellouts after their 1997 championship.  

We will never know, as UND knew it had a donor in Ralph and wasn't worried.  But no one thought a new arena would be as grand as it was.

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2 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

So you seem to be stating that the Alerus would not have been an upgrade over the old Winter Sports Building.  

Seem to recall that their wasn't sellouts after their 1997 championship.  

We will never know, as UND knew it had a donor in Ralph and wasn't worried.  But no one thought a new arena would be as grand as it was.

From a newness of building standpoint, the Alerus would have been an upgrade. Otherwise it would have caused major issues on dozens of fronts. 

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On 8/17/2017 at 8:19 PM, SiouxVolley said:

Ralph.  He was very concerned the the Big Ten would form their own league and leave us stranded with Bemidji and Mich Tech.  A lot of people poo-posed this well after Ralphs passing, including some posters here.

If the Ralph hadn't been given, in all likelihood we'd would be playing in the Alerus.  Grand Forks asked UND if they would use Alerus Center ice if that was included, and UND said no.  This was when the Winter Sports Center was known to be a rusting hulk.  With the Alerus, UND would have needed a practice rink on campus and playing football and hockey on the same day would have been impossible.  But mainly, UND would not likely get the top hockey recruits like they do now.  Minny, Wisconsin, BU, BC, DU and maybe UMD would win the vast majority of recruiting battles.  Maybe we beat SCSU and Mankato.

Attendance nearly tripled with the REA and it's doubtful the Alerus would have gone over so well with hockey fans.  UND would have been a relative pauper without the REA.

We won 5 NCAA titles in that "rusting hulk", the last one in 2000. Heck, we won two in the "The Barn" (a WPA project from the 1930's). We have won exactly ONE in the new REA. I remember in the years before the new REA, Gopher fans yammering on and on about how great Mariucci Arena was and how it was better than a bunch of NHL arenas and what a dump we were playing in. Yet, we won most of the recruiting battles against them from 1996 to 2001.

You make way too many assumptions, Mr. SiouxVolley.

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1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

We won 5 NCAA titles in that "rusting hulk", the last one in 2000. Heck, we won two in the "The Barn" (a WPA project from the 1930's). We have won exactly ONE in the new REA. I remember in the years before the new REA, Gopher fans yammering on and on about how great Mariucci Arena was and how it was better than a bunch of NHL arenas and what a dump we were playing in. Yet, we won most of the recruiting battles against them from 1996 to 2001.

You make way too many assumptions, Mr. SiouxVolley.

Agree we held our own in the old building, but not so sure we won most recruiting battles against Minnesota during those years.

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1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

We won 5 NCAA titles in that "rusting hulk", the last one in 2000. Heck, we won two in the "The Barn" (a WPA project from the 1930's). We have won exactly ONE in the new REA. I remember in the years before the new REA, Gopher fans yammering on and on about how great Mariucci Arena was and how it was better than a bunch of NHL arenas and what a dump we were playing in. Yet, we won most of the recruiting battles against them from 1996 to 2001.

You make way too many assumptions, Mr. SiouxVolley.

What recruiting battles "wins" are you talking about?  I'm having a hard time coming up with any.

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2 hours ago, tnt said:

Agree we held our own in the old building, but not so sure we won most recruiting battles against Minnesota during those years.

 

2 hours ago, Rick said:

What recruiting battles "wins" are you talking about?  I'm having a hard time coming up with any.

Brad DeFauw, Peter Armbrust, Bryan Lundbohm and Zach Parise (who I believe committed in 2001) come to mind. The Gophers did not have a good record against us during that time period either. They took quite a few butt-kickings from us in that "rusting hulk" of an arena from 1996-2001.

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1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

 

Brad DeFauw, Peter Armbrust, Bryan Lundbohm and Zach Parise (who I believe committed in 2001) come to mind. The Gophers did not have a good record against us during that time period either. They took quite a few butt-kickings from us in that "rusting hulk" of an arena from 1996-2001.

I believe Parise's recruiting trip was during the opening night of the new Ralph. 

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4 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:

 

Brad DeFauw, Peter Armbrust, Bryan Lundbohm and Zach Parise (who I believe committed in 2001) come to mind. The Gophers did not have a good record against us during that time period either. They took quite a few butt-kickings from us in that "rusting hulk" of an arena from 1996-2001.

Parise committed on opening night of The Ralph.  While DeFauw & Armbrust were good players for the Sioux, it's quite a stretch to say we won a recruiting battle to get them.  Bryan Lundbolm's dad played for the Sioux and the Gophers would have really liked to get him but there was no question of where he was going.  If you want to count "almost wins", we almost won a recruiting battle for Keith Ballard.  He even told Blaiser he was coming to UND and then at the last minute went with the Gophers. 

Yes, they took quite a few butt-kickings from us in the old Ralph but I can't think of one recruiting battle that we won until Ralph gave UND the new arena.  About the only one I can think of is Karl Goehring.  But it was the Wooger who pretty much handed Karl to us with the way he recruited him.

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Here's a week old article on James Madison where their coach Matt Houston says that going FBS for JMU is legitimate talk.  They don't need a conference now to do it, as their admin hated the idea of the Sun Belt. If they stayed CAA except for fb, their admin would probably be very satisfied as it would set them up to later get in CUSA, the MAC or even the AAC.  They might need more regional independent schools like Liberty and UMASS to make an independent schedule though.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2017/08/15/james-madison-repeat-expectations-matt-houston/560269001/

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This is 40 days old, but the IPFW vice chancellor says PUFW needs to stay DI, but a conference change is a necessity  It is rare for a chancellor to speak so bluntly that they want out of a conference.  That spells doom for the Summit as currently composed, as IPFW is one of the few schools with baseball and mens soccer.  Time to make the Summit a football league so that sports sponsoring crap is immaterial.  The XDSU crowd will continue to ignore reality.

http://www.journalgazette.net/news/local/schools/20170730/vice-chancellor-sets-out-vision-for-ipfw

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Looks like UMKC is reviewing dropping down to DII.  The thought that they may be a natural replacement for IPFW, even though UMKC doesn't have baseball, may be a bunch of hooey.

http://info.umkc.edu/unews/athletics-task-force-prepares-to-issue-report/

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Think UMKC is angling for a MVC or Horizon bid, as both leagues have said they were looking into expansion beyond 10 teams.  The Summit previously demanded that they add baseball, and they took off to the WAC instead.

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