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Conference Realignments - Take 2

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Obviously, the "Great North" concept would be ideal.  However, with Douple leading the charge, I fully expect the Summit to poach Chicago State and UMKC from the WAC.  Basketball tourney will rotate between Sioux Falls and Kansas City to sweeten the pot for UMKC.

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7 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

Chicago State has baseball.... :unsure:

I actually thought about them, but they are full-fledged members of the WAC, so doubt they would be able to pull their baseball team out of there to be an affiliate elsewhere. 

 

1 minute ago, UNDBIZ said:

Obviously, the "Great North" concept would be ideal.  However, with Douple leading the charge, I fully expect the Summit to poach Chicago State and UMKC from the WAC.  Basketball tourney will rotate between Sioux Falls and Kansas City to sweeten the pot for UMKC.

I mean, he managed to get Oral Roberts to come back, why stray from a strategy that worked last time? :unsure:

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11 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Read back a few pages.

Douple was simply tone deaf on issues.  He gave an interview to Kolpack and he said Kelley's crew wanted the Sioux nickname to be an issue for conference affiliation.  The Herald rushed in to say that Douple was lying and Bresciani wanted his head in the next review.  He doesn't understand fake news and politics well enough to be a commissioner.

Guess I don't see anything in those articles about IPFW, WIU and Oral Roberts being panic stricken.  I see concern expressed by some, but some of that comes from the writers themselves.  You also have people like Faison saying they are confident in the league, so are those sources to the contrary?

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If the choice is restarting baseball (for both USD and UND), starting a men's soccer program, or effectively losing D1 status (if you aren't in a MBB autobid conference you aren't D1, sorry) then these schools will bite the bullet and find a way to make it happen.  Don't say it is a non-starter.

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8 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

To think much of this concern could've been avoided if Douple hadn't ignored UND's baseball affiliate request a few years ago....

That sums up why Douple terrifies me right now. He seems to have no vision beyond his nose. 

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Not sure why some of you act as though Douple is the only one running the show. He answers to the member school presidents just as Fullerton did in the BSC. No school gets in without a vote of the presidents.

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The thing with NMSU is that they could just be happy with being in the WAC and in their minds be a easier path to march madness for basketball. 

This might be a unpopular take, but if UND ever had to start a mens sport for whatever reason, I'd go with soccer. That's not a knock on baseball, that's just looking into the future.

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14 hours ago, FargoBison said:

The Big North concept is solid on paper but in reality you have a school like Montana that is extremely conservative when it comes to realignment. They have had opportunities to leave, yet they stick around. That gives me doubt since they are the big piece that you would need to get to make it work. 

I'm not sure who is panic stricken in the Summit, IPFW maybe since they are out on the island now but they don't really have anywhere to go. People like to talk about the Horizon or MVC getting bigger but neither of those leagues make bold moves. The MVC especially has been pretty small-time in their realignment philosophy. Maybe that changes but both of them made the most predictable and safe choice in who they just added. 

So in your opinion, what moves does the Summit make? I would be shocked if IFPW was still around by the time UND comes in next year. I don't think it would hurt to send out a feeler out to the Montana schools, but there would be a lot that would be needed to work out.

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I just realized there a wholly simple solution:

Disband the MVFC.
Yes, disband the MVFC. 

Before heads explode ... 

Reform it in the Summit League by having the Summit offer football as a sponsored sport:

Full members (2020): UND, NDSU, USD, SDSU, WIU
Affilitates: UNI*, ISU*, ISU*, SIU*, MoSU*, YSU

Done. 

The Summit would offer FB and MBB and secure their MBB autobid.

And this does zero damage to the MVC as the MVFC is not the MVC.
The MVC has enough sports and teams that their MBB autobid is in no jeopardy. 

The Summit and MVC both keep MBB autobids (aka NCAA money). 

And the "Summit FB" champ would get an FCS FB bid (the old MVFC bid). 

 

*MVC members. 

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Chicago St only has until next year in the WAC.  They had a contract for membership which expires next year, which is very unusual.  With 86 freshmen students, most of them athletes, millions in debt, and Illinois almost bankrupt and now not paying lottery winners, it's not a good bet.  GCU is a full member this year and Cal Baptist is coming aboard.

The four most valuable schools in the Summit are:

IPFW, W Illinois, Omaha, and ORU.

They are most valuable because they have both men's soccer and baseball.  If any one leaves, the Summit is in Big trouble.  If any two leave, the Summit has to add football schools to save it.

 

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2 hours ago, North Dakota said:

$1 million I think

Read from Douple where they raised it be $0.5 mill more, to $1.5 mill.  Guess the $0.5 mill more is due for short term (under a year) notice.

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The Detroit News said IUPUI could now host the Horizon tournament in the Pacers arena, as the swanky new Little Caesars Arena in Detroit could host future B1G tournaments.  It also said the Horizon could go to 16 schools.

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6 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

I just realized there a wholly simple solution:

Disband the MVFC.
Yes, disband the MVFC. 

Before heads explode ... 

Reform it in the Summit League by having the Summit offer football as a sponsored sport:

Full members (2020): UND, NDSU, USD, SDSU, WIU
Affilitates: UNI*, ISU*, ISU*, SIU*, MoSU*, YSU

Done. 

 

This does zero damage to the MVC as the MVFC is not the MVC. The MVC has enough sports and teams that their MBB is in no jeopardy. 

 

*MVC members. 

That's actually a brilliant idea. So simple and easy that it will never be considered haha

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6 minutes ago, North Dakota said:

That's actually a brilliant idea. So simple and easy that it will never be considered haha

Yup. :D 

Heck, you could even keep the "MVFC" name as a DBA. Officially it is Summit League football; but call it, trade name it, the "MVFC". The MVFC webpage would redirect to the Summit league FB page. 

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So Izzo said the Summit cleared it's teams to have four rather than two non-DI mbb schools on their schedule as the IUPUI leaving left most schools short of games.  Here is a chance for UND to swoop in and schedule.

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4 hours ago, UNDBIZ said:

Obviously, the "Great North" concept would be ideal.  However, with Douple leading the charge, I fully expect the Summit to poach Chicago State and UMKC from the WAC.  Basketball tourney will rotate between Sioux Falls and Kansas City to sweeten the pot for UMKC.

I realize Douple is hated by UND fans but really? His last add before UND was DU. Pretty crappy choice there. I also always think that those who don't understand should be educated. No schools will be sought after or added by Douple. His job is to provide recommendations to the member schools who make the decisions. SDSU and NDSU, the league powers will never add CSU and the last time UMKC talked about getting back in, they were told no.

SS fans need to stop panicking. I get that SiouxVolley gets all of you riled but 99% of the time his comments are way off the mark. He is slowly becoming LakesBison. Just head over to egriz and see the mess he created over there.

The HL has spoken and they have said the same thing as the MVC. Both leagues are playing small ball, especially the HL. LeCrone can say what he wants. There is no member school in the HL who are interested in growing out side their footprint or growing to 14 or 16 teams. Would they consider 12? Some will some will not. If they do go to 12 it will be IPFW and RMU. Relax. 

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1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said:

The Detroit News said IUPUI could now host the Horizon tournament in the Pacers arena, as the swanky new Little Caesars Arena in Detroit could host future B1G tournaments.  It also said the Horizon could go to 16 schools.

The Detroit News also had the wrong school being added to the HL. In fact, they didn't even mention IUPUI until it was a foregone conclusion that the Jags were the team. 

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1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

I just realized there a wholly simple solution:

Disband the MVFC.
Yes, disband the MVFC. 

Before heads explode ... 

Reform it in the Summit League by having the Summit offer football as a sponsored sport:

Full members (2020): UND, NDSU, USD, SDSU, WIU
Affilitates: UNI*, ISU*, ISU*, SIU*, MoSU*, YSU

Done. 

The Summit would offer FB and MBB and secure their MBB autobid.

And this does zero damage to the MVC as the MVFC is not the MVC.
The MVC has enough sports and teams that their MBB autobid is in no jeopardy. 

The Summit and MVC both keep MBB autobids (aka NCAA money). 

And the "Summit FB" champ would get an FCS FB bid (the old MVFC bid). 

 

*MVC members. 

I very well could happen. Most of the MVC schools want nothing to do with FB and getting ISUb and SIU to vote for the change may not be too difficult. The MVC schools who play FB signaled their feelings when UND were added. The Summit schools were told that if they wanted to invite UND the MVC schools didn't really care. I would not be surprised if the Summit took over the MVFC.

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1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

I just realized there a wholly simple solution:

Disband the MVFC.
Yes, disband the MVFC. 

Before heads explode ... 

Reform it in the Summit League by having the Summit offer football as a sponsored sport:

Full members (2020): UND, NDSU, USD, SDSU, WIU
Affilitates: UNI*, ISU*, ISU*, SIU*, MoSU*, YSU

Done. 

The Summit would offer FB and MBB and secure their MBB autobid.

And this does zero damage to the MVC as the MVFC is not the MVC.
The MVC has enough sports and teams that their MBB autobid is in no jeopardy. 

The Summit and MVC both keep MBB autobids (aka NCAA money). 

And the "Summit FB" champ would get an FCS FB bid (the old MVFC bid). 

 

*MVC members. 

an offshoot of this would be for the mvc to add the dak 4 as full mvc members and merge mvc/mvfc into the mvc brand...some summit schools close (illinois schools) and some go to the wac, horizon, or ovc...(i do think that by adding montana as non conf games says a lot about montana not going east towards the dak schools)

the summit finally dies

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28 minutes ago, jacksfan29 said:

I realize Douple is hated by UND fans but really? His last add before UND was DU. Pretty crappy choice there. I also always think that those who don't understand should be educated. No schools will be sought after or added by Douple. His job is to provide recommendations to the member schools who make the decisions. SDSU and NDSU, the league powers will never add CSU and the last time UMKC talked about getting back in, they were told no.

SS fans need to stop panicking. I get that SiouxVolley gets all of you riled but 99% of the time his comments are way off the mark. He is slowly becoming LakesBison. Just head over to egriz and see the mess he created over there.

The HL has spoken and they have said the same thing as the MVC. Both leagues are playing small ball, especially the HL. LeCrone can say what he wants. There is no member school in the HL who are interested in growing out side their footprint or growing to 14 or 16 teams. Would they consider 12? Some will some will not. If they do go to 12 it will be IPFW and RMU. Relax. 

DU joined the the Summit because they weren't requiring them to add any sports like the MVC was and there was no way they were going to stay in the disaster known as the WAC. If Douple isn't out looking for new members, then he isn't doing his job.

I don't buy into the notion that things are on tilt quite yet, but you're being completely naive by ignoring the fact that the two required men's team sports (baseball and soccer) are at the bare minimum to qualify. On top of that, the now most eastern-isolated member, who may very well be looking to join the Horizon League at the drop of a hat, happens to sponsor both of those sports and them leaving would put the Summit League on the clock for not one, but both team sports. A D-2 move-up has no chance of helping at this point and there isn't a lot of attractive options that are pounding at the Summit's door. Maybe he has a rabbit up his sleeve. Last time the big reveal was ORU came back from the Southland and saved the baseball autobid. We'll see what it is this time.

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1 hour ago, jacksfan29 said:

The Detroit News also had the wrong school being added to the HL. In fact, they didn't even mention IUPUI until it was a foregone conclusion that the Jags were the team. 

That was the newspaper that broke the IUPUI story, has said the Horizon is considering 16, and IUPUI was wanted to host the Horizon League.  In the mean time, the bunny board was predicting Horizon and MVC schools moving to the Summit because Sioux Falls delivers a fantastic atmosphere to SDSU.  Get off your high bunny.

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