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Conference Realignments - Take 2

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10 hours ago, Nodak78 said:

I missed that where in the article.  I saw Murray, Valpo and Milwaukee.  For 12 teams

However, that is two Horizon League teams (Valpo, Milw) and an OVC (Murray State). 

As I've said, I could easily see the HL moving on IUPUI and IPFW to backfill. 

And I wonder if the OVC would move on Youngstown in that scenario. 

That would damage the Summit and potentially the MVFC. 

 

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Nodak78   
1 minute ago, The Sicatoka said:

However, that is two Horizon League teams (Valpo, Milw) and an OVC (Murray State). 

As I've said, I could easily see the HL moving on IUPUI and IPFW to backfill. 

And I wonder if the OVC would move on Youngstown in that scenario. 

That would damage the Summit and potentially the MVFC. 

 

Another way.  One each from the summit, Horizon and OVC.  Valpo, Murray and Omaha.  What would that do?

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Nodak78   
1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

Same thing only different. 

well if it is different then I think siouxphan should expound on this.

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Bison101   

Hopefully 2 Horizon teams are taken and they take Fort Wayne and IUPUI off our hands. Adding the Montana's, Idaho, EWU, and Seattle could make this a really interesting conference. I like the Big North idea.

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7 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said:

So how soon will the formal offers come after they get done visiting these schools?

I'm pretty sure they want this wrapped up the middle of May at the latest. 

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35 minutes ago, Bison101 said:

Hopefully 2 Horizon teams are taken and they take Fort Wayne and IUPUI off our hands. Adding the Montana's, Idaho, EWU, and Seattle could make this a really interesting conference. I like the Big North idea.

How long will it be to get the bison trolls saying that league should be FBS?  They were steadfast against a UND WAC but would be in favor of this being FBS.  As Liberty has shown, the NCAA can give schools and conferences waivers to be FBS now.  The WAC was the only vehicle available to go without a waiver.

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10 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

How long will it be to get the bison trolls saying that league should be FBS?  They were steadfast against a UND WAC but would be in favor of this being FBS.  As Liberty has shown, the NCAA can give schools and conferences waivers to be FBS now.  The WAC was the only vehicle available to go without a waiver.

UND just cut 3.1 Million dollars from their athletic budget.  What makes you think they can afford FBS?!!

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22 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

UND just cut 3.1 Million dollars from their athletic budget.  What makes you think they can afford FBS?!!

It was well over what was needed and the reduced travel costs haven't even kicked in yet.  UND would need some major donations for facility improvements anyway, but think it will come.  The main point is that the XDSU fans just might have been forced to give up the delusion that the MVC was lusting after their basketball prowess.  Their interested in a new DI program Omaha but not multI dance XDSU programs - for real?   Football is all they got to focus on and invest in now, and that means FBS will be on the plate.

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33 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

Football is all they got to focus on and invest in now, and that means FBS will be on the plate.

If that was the case, you'd think they'd be looking for ways add women's scholarships instead of cut them....

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4 hours ago, jdub27 said:

If that was the case, you'd think they'd be looking for ways add women's scholarships instead of cut them....

In retrospect, the cutting of women's swimming was surprising if FBS is in the plans.  But there are actually other women's sports that can be cheaper and don't require expensive facility upgrades.  Idaho cut back to FCS and is now losing more money and had to ask the state for more.  But women's swimming has stayed intact when it could have been cut now.

If an FBS upgrade is announced, a school just has to have a plan for adding women's schollies.  It doesn't have to be immediate. Getting to 16 sports is the immediate part.

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15 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

How long will it be to get the bison trolls saying that league should be FBS?  They were steadfast against a UND WAC but would be in favor of this being FBS.  As Liberty has shown, the NCAA can give schools and conferences waivers to be FBS now.  The WAC was the only vehicle available to go without a waiver.

You're not naive enough to think there is even a similar comparison between this new conference going FBS vs a pretty random set of schools going FBS with the WAC. 

 

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Bison06   
On 4/21/2017 at 7:57 AM, zonadub said:

Why is the MVC more appealing to NDSU for you?

It's not at this point. 10 years ago, I would have been all for it, but not now. The only appeal for me at this point is UNI.

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17 hours ago, southpaw said:

You're not naive enough to think there is even a similar comparison between this new conference going FBS vs a pretty random set of schools going FBS with the WAC. 

It's so obvious the your eyes glazed over whenever I had mentioned FBS as most of the teams are the same.  Same dumb a** posts by you.  Your incapable of reading and understanding, because you seem to be so incensed at even the concept.  The XDSU's have learned that they are just the fat girls tagging along to the MVC bar to make the other MVC gals look like models.  And here they thought there were wonderful and flattering comments, but no one wants them.  They finally now realize the whole MVC setup doesn't lead to a meaningful promotion and they are just being used.

You don't give any options if the Slummit deteriorates, which can happen if Omaha and the IP-soups leave.

It may be the only thing a Dakota 4 have to offer a multi bid conference is a conviction and seriousness to start FBS.  You  can scoff at that all you want, but we could end us as independents without a very serious run at FBS.  But UND has even more facility issues than the other three, as we don't have them yet.  Idaho wants an FBS league that is affordable and regional.  The same might be true of the Montanas and EWU, as they can't afford to compete in the MWC but a lower league might be up their alley.  But you'll deny it til kingdom come.

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12 hours ago, Bison06 said:

It's not at this point. 10 years ago, I would have been all for it, but not now. The only appeal for me at this point is UNI.

It seems that is finally sinking in in Fargo.  NDSU will never be in the MVC.  You have to look west now or move up Northern Sun or MIAA schools.

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zonadub   

For those of you in the know...

who initiates campus visits?

in other words, did Omaha apply to the MVC or is the MVC looking at Omaha unsolicited to return to Omaha after losing Creighton? Another example would be Sioux Volley has said the MVC was interested in Belmont the last time around, but they are not scheduled for a campus visit (at least there is not one being reported). Is the MVC not visiting Belmont because they are not interested in being turned down or are they not invited to Belmont?

iirc, UND had applied to the Summit (and abruptly cancelled a campus visit by Douple) before they were accepted in the Big Sky, but there was really no press about the Big Sky making a campus visit to UND before the Sioux were accepted into the BSC. Was Faison working behind the scenes soliciting the Big Sky or was Fullerton working behind the scenes to rescue UND from football irrelevance?

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20 minutes ago, zonadub said:

For those of you in the know...

who initiates campus visits?

in other words, did Omaha apply to the MVC or is the MVC looking at Omaha unsolicited to return to Omaha after losing Creighton? Another example would be Sioux Volley has said the MVC was interested in Belmont the last time around, but they are not scheduled for a campus visit (at least there is not one being reported). Is the MVC not visiting Belmont because they are not interested in being turned down or are they not invited to Belmont?

iirc, UND had applied to the Summit (and abruptly cancelled a campus visit by Douple) before they were accepted in the Big Sky, but there was really no press about the Big Sky making a campus visit to UND before the Sioux were accepted into the BSC. Was Faison working behind the scenes soliciting the Big Sky or was Fullerton working behind the scenes to rescue UND from football irrelevance?

The MVC schedules site visits when there is mutual interest.  Omaha is probably a Tier 2 candidate though.  Valpo and Murray being Tier 1.

My theory was the Montanas gave an ultimatum to the BSC that they wanted the Dakotas or they would leave.  The other BSC teams voted so the Montanas would stay.

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southpaw   
9 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Your incapable of reading and understanding, because you seem to be so incensed at even the concept.

And yet you didn't even read my comment.  I was pointing out that there is a big difference in this "Big North" going FBS and your complete lie of a WAC conference that you keep predicting will happen.  As usual, you're moving some goalposts.  It was a nice month when you went into your shell after UND joined the Summit and you had to hide from people showing how wrong you were.

However, you aren't dumb enough (although history has probably proven otherwise) to believe that UND and NDSU fans would have similar thoughts towards your old WAC conference and the Big North as the WAC.  I don't think anybody wanted to be in a WAC that consisted of NMSU, UTRGV and other random schools.  I don't think anyone would turn down the chance to be part of a WAC that was the 4 Dakotas, the Montanas and Idaho/EWU.

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10 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

It's so obvious the your eyes glazed over whenever I had mentioned FBS as most of the teams are the same.

Most of the teams in the MVC are the same as they were 10 years ago.  But which conference is better? 2007 MVC or 2017 MVC?  Is the MVC still appealing to the Dakotas?  I don't think so.

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The Dakota 4 and the Montana group are a random group of schools just like the rogue's gallery that is today's WAC. In the eyes of the NCAA that's reality. Never forget that. 

SV's point in the past was that if the Dakotas and Montana group wanted to go FBS, ever, they needed the vessel called the WAC. You had to have a bona fide invite from an FBS granting conference to go FBS. The WAC had retroactive power to invite teams to FBS as that conference (forget who's in it today) was, and retains power as, an FBS conference at one time. 

Since then, the world has changed: Liberty got permission from the NCAA to go FBS without a bona fide invitation from an existing FBS conference. 

Thus, the WAC is no longer needed as the vessel, the portal, to FBS. The NCAA has set precedence. They waived Liberty through to FBS without that FBS conference invitation. 

Now the dream of a "Great North" conference no longer needs to consider how to wrest control of the WAC (and it's magic FBS granting power) away from that group of rogues. Liberty saw to that. 

Now, in this post Liberty decision world, this consortium of the Dakota 4 and the Montana group can form up and then make the same request Liberty did at the time of their choosing. 

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The speculation I'm seeing out in other forums is that the MVC will go to 12 (add 3) and that the preference order right now is: Murray State, Valpo, UW-Milw, Omaha. 

There's a claim in one place that the UNO visit did not go well and UW-Milw became preferred. 

If the MVC pulls two from the Horizon (Valpo, Milw) I still see the Horizon back filling from within their footprint and from the Summit (IUPUI, IPFW). 

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19 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

The Dakota 4 and the Montana group are a random group of schools just like the rogue's gallery that is today's WAC. In the eyes of the NCAA that's reality. Never forget that. 

SV's point in the past was that if the Dakotas and Montana group wanted to go FBS, ever, they needed the vessel called the WAC. You had to have a bona fide invite from an FBS granting conference to go FBS. The WAC had retroactive power to invite teams to FBS as that conference (forget who's in it today) was, and retains power as, an FBS conference at one time. 

Since then, the world has changed: Liberty got permission from the NCAA to go FBS without a bona fide invitation from an existing FBS conference. 

Thus, the WAC is no longer needed as the vessel, the portal, to FBS. The NCAA has set precedence. They waived Liberty through to FBS without that FBS conference invitation. 

Now the dream of a "Great North" conference no longer needs to consider how to wrest control of the WAC (and it's magic FBS granting power) away from that group of rogues. Liberty saw to that. 

Now, in this post Liberty decision world, this consortium of the Dakota 4 and the Montana group can form up and then make the same request Liberty did at the time of their choosing. 

Precisely.

Wouldn't count out Wichita St fb, as they want to be full AAC members eventually.  Also, if NMSU doesn't have an  FBS invite, they might need to join.

Left out the XDSU's as they thought they were MVC material and it be hilarious if we went FBS first.

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3 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

The speculation I'm seeing out in other forums is that the MVC will go to 12 (add 3) and that the preference order right now is: Murray State, Valpo, UW-Milw, Omaha. 

There's a claim in one place that the UNO visit did not go well and UW-Milw became preferred. 

If the MVC pulls two from the Horizon (Valpo, Milw) I still see the Horizon back filling from within their footprint and from the Summit (IUPUI, IPFW). 

Think Robert Morris will get a look too, but at least one of the IP's will be gone.

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