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[gfhomer]

So I am reading USCHO's most current bracketology and the first thing that jumps out to me is the fact that if the season were to end today, BC would be playing in Manchester (again). I understand one-seeds should be rewarded with as close to home ice as possible. Here is the most updated version

West Regional (St. Louis):
13 Miami vs. 4 Denver
12 Dartmouth vs. 5 Merrimack

Midwest Regional (Green Bay):
14 Rensselaer vs. 2 North Dakota
10 Michigan vs. 8 Nebraska-Omaha

East Regional (Bridgeport):
16 RIT vs. 1 Yale
9 Notre Dame vs. 7 Union

Northeast Regional (Manchester):
15 Wisconsin vs. 3 Boston College
11 New Hampshire vs. 6 Minnesota-Duluth

Upon further review, BC's good fortunes with home ice in the NCAA tournament is disgusting. (Most likely due to the fact that I am bitter towards BC (as are most of you) because they seem to break my heart every year)

2010: Worcester
2008: Worcester
2007: Manchester
2006: Worcester
2005: Worcester
2004: Manchester

Enough of my BC complaining, what are everyone's (incredibly pre-mature) thoughts on the potential bracket?

[GoalieMask]

Upon further review, BC's good fortunes with home ice in the NCAA tournament is disgusting. (Most likely due to the fact that I am bitter towards BC (as are most of you) because they seem to break my heart every year)

2010: Worcester
2008: Worcester
2007: Manchester
2006: Worcester
2005: Worcester
2004: Manchester

Enough of my BC complaining, what are everyone's (incredibly pre-mature) thoughts on the potential bracket?


I can't disagree.  Keep in mind though that some site in New England is going to host a regional every year and it only makes sense (geographically and economically)  that the best team in the area would get the top seed there.  BU was tops in 2009 and I'm going to bet without looking back that they had a nice regional slant going for them too.   I don't know if it's favoring BC as much as its favoring a college hockey crazed city with the largest popluation.

I remember being in Madison in 1999 when BC beat the Sioux.  That was a bummer.  You could argue that 1999 team was every bit as talented as the 2000 group that got their revenge the following spring.


Looking into the crystal ball I also see UNO and UND having some battles this spring.  Whether its in the Final Five or in Regionals I think we'll be meeting again.  I think they'll have a good run at the Final Five.  I think Duluth's senior leadership will also play a role in the postseason.  I predict a couple of WCHA teams playing at the Frozen Four in St. Paul.

[sprig]

Each week this has been done the Bridgeport region looks the easiest. A nice year for a west 2 or 3 seed to get sent to Bridgeport, although getting through another region and making it to the Frozen Four may be a more battle tested route.

[Oxbow6]

Totally agree BC shouldn't be able to continually stroll out of their own beds in PJs and slippers to get to the regional rink.

I know "integrity" of the brackets is important and that this bracket is hypothetical, but these "western" regionals are an attendance nightmare.  If the West region were to happen as is 80% of the Scottrade Arena will be bare.  Green Bay will have decent attendance and the 2 eastern regional will be ok.

St. Louis IMO needs UND there...that is the only team that will put butts in the seats for sure.

Green Bay would be ok with UMD.

My crew will probably travel to either St. Louis or GB if UND is sent to either site.

[stickboy1956]

gfhomer, on 16 February 2011 - 02:26 PM, said:

So I am reading USCHO's most current bracketology and the first thing that jumps out to me is the fact that if the season were to end today, BC would be playing in Manchester (again). I understand one-seeds should be rewarded with as close to home ice as possible. Here is the most updated version

West Regional (St. Louis):
13 Miami vs. 4 Denver
12 Dartmouth vs. 5 Merrimack

Midwest Regional (Green Bay):
14 Rensselaer vs. 2 North Dakota
10 Michigan vs. 8 Nebraska-Omaha

East Regional (Bridgeport):
16 RIT vs. 1 Yale
9 Notre Dame vs. 7 Union

Northeast Regional (Manchester):
15 Wisconsin vs. 3 Boston College
11 New Hampshire vs. 6 Minnesota-Duluth

Upon further review, BC's good fortunes with home ice in the NCAA tournament is disgusting. (Most likely due to the fact that I am bitter towards BC (as are most of you) because they seem to break my heart every year)

2010: Worcester
2008: Worcester
2007: Manchester
2006: Worcester
2005: Worcester
2004: Manchester

Enough of my BC complaining, what are everyone's (incredibly pre-mature) thoughts on the potential bracket?

They may have been a #1 seed quite often - that usually helps you stay close to home.

[gfhomer]

stickboy1956, on 16 February 2011 - 03:01 PM, said:

They may have been a #1 seed quite often - that usually helps you stay close to home.

They were, so that is understandable. Its more me ranting/venting than anything else.

[ihatethegophers]

Also, if we meet them in the FF this year you could very well make the case that we will have an unfair home ice advantage.

[ticklethetwine]

My philosophy is if you want to be the best you need to play the best. Whatever regional UND gets it will either be our time or not period.

[Goon]

GoalieMask, on 16 February 2011 - 02:51 PM, said:

2010: Worcester
2008: Worcester
2007: Manchester
2006: Worcester
2005: Worcester
2004: Manchester

Enough of my BC complaining, what are everyone's (incredibly pre-mature) thoughts on the potential bracket?

I think the committee has put B.C. in Worcester because it's only like 20-30 miles away and they are trying to fill the building.

[The Sicatoka]

Someone will end their season on four game road winning streak.

That is all.

[fargosioux]

Based on the current PWR, the brackets would be very clear cut in my opinion.  Straight bracket integrity with no need to move anybody to avoid intra-conference matchups:

East (Bridgeport):
Yale vs. RIT (or Atlantic Hockey Winner)
Union vs. UNO

Midwest (Green Bay):
North Dakota vs. Western Michigan
Duluth vs. Notre Dame

Northeast (Manchester):
Boston College vs. Wisconsin
Michigan vs. New Hampshire

West (St. Louis):
Merrimack vs. RPI
Denver vs. Miami

Attendance would be OK everywhere except St. Louis.  I do agree with the opinion that the committee will try to place North Dakota in St. Louis if at all possible, but in this scenario, I'm not sure how they could make it work.

What about this crazy thought -- Hakstol vs. Blais for the national title?

[NorthDakotaHockey]

fargosioux, on 21 February 2011 - 09:41 AM, said:

. . . .

What about this crazy thought -- Hakstol vs. Blais for the national title?

Now this would be one hell of a game in a house jammed to the rafters . . . .

It would answer the question, at least for a game, whether great coaching beats good coaching,
or whether great talent beats good talent, no matter the coaching.

Of course, as noted elsewhere, heart and maybe even destiny, good or bad, may have something to play as well.

[ticklethetwine]

With the Frozen Four in WCHA country this year, I would think the NCAA would want as many teams from the WCHA in the Frozen Four for a big draw and payday. I can see some bracket manipulation at work here. You know they would love to see Minnesota, North Dakota, Wisconsin at the very least go to the Frozen Four. Now the chances of the Gophers making the F4 are slim and Wisconsin i don't think either. So from their perspective what other teams would they like to see as there best payday. As we all know it is all about the bengi's with these fat cats.

[siouxweet]

ticklethetwine, on 21 February 2011 - 10:21 AM, said:

With the Frozen Four in WCHA country this year, I would think the NCAA would want as many teams from the WCHA in the Frozen Four for a big draw and payday. I can see some bracket manipulation at work here. You know they would love to see Minnesota, North Dakota, Wisconsin at the very least go to the Frozen Four. Now the chances of the Gophers making the F4 are slim and Wisconsin i don't think either. So from their perspective what other teams would they like to see as there best payday. As we all know it is all about the bengi's with these fat cats.

not a very accurate statement as the Frozen Four is already sold out and sells out every year.  so this committee conspiracy stuff doesn't pan out and won't as the committee has proven over the past however many years they go straight by the pairwise rankings for the field and placement of the field with the exception of  minor tweak here or there.

[SiouxTupa]

fargosioux, on 21 February 2011 - 09:41 AM, said:

Based on the current PWR, the brackets would be very clear cut in my opinion.  Straight bracket integrity with no need to move anybody to avoid intra-conference matchups:

East (Bridgeport):
Yale vs. RIT (or Atlantic Hockey Winner)
Union vs. UNO

Midwest (Green Bay):
North Dakota vs. Western Michigan
Duluth vs. Notre Dame

Northeast (Manchester):
Boston College vs. Wisconsin
Michigan vs. New Hampshire

West (St. Louis):
Merrimack vs. RPI
Denver vs. Miami

Attendance would be OK everywhere except St. Louis.  I do agree with the opinion that the committee will try to place North Dakota in St. Louis if at all possible, but in this scenario, I'm not sure how they could make it work.

What about this crazy thought -- Hakstol vs. Blais for the national title?

As a Sioux fan, there's no way I would complain about BC's bracket. Look who they face...rematch of last year's NC game, then UNH or Michigan. That's a TOUGH bracket! Contrast that with UND's. I know in a one-and-done anyone is susceptible to an upset, but still. Despite them getting home ice, it wouldn't be a cake walk.

[fargosioux]

fargosioux, on 21 February 2011 - 09:41 AM, said:

Based on the current PWR, the brackets would be very clear cut in my opinion.  Straight bracket integrity with no need to move anybody to avoid intra-conference matchups:

East (Bridgeport):
Yale vs. RIT (or Atlantic Hockey Winner)
Union vs. UNO

Midwest (Green Bay):
North Dakota vs. Western Michigan
Duluth vs. Notre Dame

Northeast (Manchester):
Boston College vs. Wisconsin
Michigan vs. New Hampshire

West (St. Louis):
Merrimack vs. RPI
Denver vs. Miami

Attendance would be OK everywhere except St. Louis.  I do agree with the opinion that the committee will try to place North Dakota in St. Louis if at all possible, but in this scenario, I'm not sure how they could make it work.

What about this crazy thought -- Hakstol vs. Blais for the national title?

USCHO has this week's Bracketology up, and Moy makes one minor adjustment to these brackets by switching Wisconsin and RPI for attendance purposes:

USCHO Bracketology - February 23rd

Also, Wisconsin blogger Chuck Schwartz put his brackets out earlier this week:

Schwartz Bracketology

He has a bit of a Badger spin in his brackets by rearranging everything to get Wisconsin in Green Bay.  I find it hard to believe everything would get shaken up just to get Wisconsin close to home if they are a #4 seed.

At the end of the day, I have a feeling Wisconsin will be on the outside looking in, and the committee won't have to deal with a Wisconsin decision.

[Goon]

fargosioux, on 23 February 2011 - 12:40 PM, said:

Schwartz Bracketology

He has a bit of a Badger spin in his brackets by rearranging everything to get Wisconsin in Green Bay.  I find it hard to believe everything would get shaken up just to get Wisconsin close to home if they are a #4 seed.

At the end of the day, I have a feeling Wisconsin will be on the outside looking in, and the committee won't have to deal with a Wisconsin decision.

Wisconsin is probably screwed since they went 1-9-2 against ranked teams this season.

[siouxhockeyfan11]

Goon, on 23 February 2011 - 12:47 PM, said:

Wisconsin is probably screwed since they went 1-9-2 against ranked teams this season.

Ya that's really bad. I like the current bracket with us playing in Green Bay with those teams but alas the season doesn't end today.

[Chuck Schwartz]

Goon, on 23 February 2011 - 12:47 PM, said:

Wisconsin is probably screwed since they went 1-9-2 against ranked teams this season.

When the NCAA creates a criteria that includes record against ranked teams then maybe. But now they don't so it's moot point. the closest criteria of the formula they have is records against TUC and Wisconsin is 7-11-4. Which is far from great but not as arbitrary as saying they are 1-9-2 against ranked opponents.

[Goon]

Chuck Schwartz, on 23 February 2011 - 01:57 PM, said:

When the NCAA creates a criteria that includes record against ranked teams then maybe. But now they don't so it's moot point. the closest criteria of the formula they have is records against TUC and Wisconsin is 7-11-4. Which is far from great but not as arbitrary as saying they are 1-9-2 against ranked opponents.

I personally don't think Wisconsin is going to make tourney when it's all said and done. Unless they make the Final Five and play a couple of games.